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Gentlemen! *I* have no complaints about Cyprus44 and I’m very outspoken there. Are you both banned at C44? Tsk! Am I right to think that you two belong to the category “disloyal and/or troublemaker”? 
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- I’m very glad you all support Cyprus44 (see title of this thread) – why else would you react here?! Thanks!
- RE msg 26, Get real!: (…
A little birdie tells me that your online bravado has earned you one of the top 5 spots for 2010… let’s just say you’ve been made a priority! (…
=> Thank you! Much obliged! And how would you try to damage me in Holland, you silly?
P.S. DO send the bailiff to me who was sent to the Orams. My dogs will start the Dobermann job and I ‘ll be happy to finish it.
P.P.S. As a “reward” I’ve put your site on “DC’S PORTAL” (Cyprus sites and Bulletin Boards): http://is.gd/5ILD3 - RE msg 21, Jerry: (… The ordinary Cypriots lived for centuries together without conflict (…
=> You don’t know your own history. As far back as the the Turkish Conquest of Cyprus (1570/71) there have been problems between the Ottoman Turkish conquerors and the Greek speaking Cypriots. Culminating in the hanging of some black robed “GC men of god (because of early ‘Enosis’ [in the 19th century]” and all the problems following. Please read about the history of this island before you talk nonsense again. Thank you. - When you have a war – inflicted on you or started by you – you pay the price when you lose. That’s a lesson from history, my friends. South Cyprus cheated itself into the EU (eternal shame on the crook Papadopoulos – may his bones be gone forever) and is now demanding from Turkey to do what South Cyprus demands before entering the EU. You are an absolute laugh with your one million or so inhabitants. Most real cities in Europe have more inhabitants than your so-called state (RoC = Rest of Cyprus). Do you really think some 600+ million Europeans will be bribed very much longer by your Communist president and your black robed, idiot, imitation Makarios “Archbishop”? Who do you think you are, you very few “Greek speaking Cypriots”?! Indeed, someone said it here: get real.
Recent comments by Hans Doeleman
- Merry Christmas to all our readers
Sorry, Editor. A very wrong announcement. “The press” don’t or doesn’t have a holiday. The Press works when needed. Just a remark, after 30+ years of journalism. - Dutch equivalent of UK’s BBC refers to “President Talat”
Yes – sigh – Sir – sigh. You’re boring, but at least you are a polite honorary Greek Cypriot. - Dutch equivalent of UK’s BBC refers to “President Talat”
My dear Stelios, In my life I’ve never been prepared to talk the language of people from the gutters – and I’m not now. Have a nice day. - Dutch equivalent of UK’s BBC refers to “President Talat”
(… Furthermore, what do you expect from Bram Vermeulen (based in Istanbul), he would probably be in fear of his life if he said otherwise. (…
Dear Steliou, my colleague Bram Vermeulen was “Journalist of the year 2008″ (Dutch Association of Journalists, NVJ). And you cannot become that sitting on the beach of Paphos. He spent part of his career in the most dangerous places on earth, in South Africa. Don’t you ridicule him – you can’t stand in his shadow. Google his name if you want all the details.
And for the rest of your message: a repeat of a repeat. Yawn. - Dutch equivalent of UK’s BBC refers to “President Talat”
(… Just like the press to get his name the wrong way round. (…
Mea culpa. Mehmet Ali Talat it is. Thanks for pointing this out in an email, Vaughan. I appreciate your positive approach.
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Oh hans my fine dutch fellow If you think there is free speech on cyprus 444 I feel you are deluded.
Any public forum which bans members for questioning the legal status of the TRNC (it’s illegal you dummies) deserves to be taken down. The way it always gets zapped on the major holidays, Orams decision days etc is pretty impressive from a psyops viewpoint. Headless chickens everywhere. Or should that be headless turkeys…
Gentlemen! *I* have no complaints about Cyprus44 and I’m very outspoken there. Are you both banned at C44? Tsk! Am I right to think that you two belong to the category “disloyal and/or troublemaker”?
you did promise you would not post there any more … are you not a man of your word ??
I suspect if the( unjustly ) banned members were reinstated the doss attack would soon stop wht say you Hands
I’ve been banned twice. The site owner is worried that the ex-pat residents will learn that not all of the blame for The Cyprus Problem is the fault of “The Greedy Greeks”, the TCs were equally to blame (Denktash and Turkish extremists in particular). The British notion of “supporting the underdog” (the minority) comes into play when the carrot of cheap holiday homes is dangled. I would guess that 90% of those who “bought” “exchange” land knew nothing of the island’s history or the simple truth that for centuries the ordinary Cypriot in the field worked harmoniously with his neighbour from the other community. The majority of CY44 members are a bunch of poorly educated back-slapping louts. It’s quite interesting to see how many of them are gradually losing faith in their adopted paradise. Cy44 will not disappear permanently, I have it on good authority that the site is constantly scrutinised and monitored as a means of identifying the illegal occupiers of Greek Cypriot owned land by “authorities” in the ROC.
Izzet, the mentally embargoed fool doesn’t even know the meaning of “freedom of speech” because it hasn’t made it to the Islam-o-fascist “TRNC” yet…
Gee Jerry,
“..the TCs were equally to blame..” ! You are certainly confirming the conclusions I expressed in my (sorry) lengthy note on the Archbishop Chris topic.
Many GC-flavoured posters have criticised people like me for buying property in the north, calling us “carpetbaggers”, “foreigners (who) came to take advantage of a situation and benefit from a tragedy”, “vultures who saw dead meat and moved in to save a few quid”. This of course implies that we all knew exactly what the true situation was and took advantage of it, in spite of the fact that nobody has been able to agree on the true nature of the situation for 35 years.
We have the self-righteous Campbell Thomas telling us ad nauseum how clever he was to carry out the research he did, and just how elevated is his piece of moral high ground.
And now we have you claiming that “90% of those who “bought” “exchange” land knew nothing of the island’s history..”. Well mate, I’d agree that 90% certainly didn’t understand it in any detail. But you blokes can’t have it both ways. Either we all took advantage of the situation, or we didn’t understand it and bought in good faith.
Which is it?
Get Real,
Your racist, bigoted, extremist language and attitude do you no credit and your cause absolutely no good at all.
I suspect you are a significant embarrassment to your saner, more credible GC colleagues.
Ian Edwards said: “We have the self-righteous Campbell Thomas telling us ad nauseum how clever he was to carry out the research he did, and just how elevated is his piece of moral high ground.”
Am I as self-righteous as the UK Foreign Office warning British citizens about buying property in the TRNC? I mean, they’ve been saying the same thing for years as well, haven’t they? Face up to it – in the truth and honesty vacuum that is the TRNC, hundreds of people wish they had listened to people like me. Maybe what’s really getting to you is that you were sold something that will never belong to you.
Ian Edwards, why is it an “either or” scenario? You turned up in Cyprus and saw a chance to “buy” a cheap place in the sun. You were conned into believing that the TCs were justified in “cleansing” the GCs from the north and instead of seeing if there was another angle to the Cyprus Problem you took the bait.
You were mugged, anyone who spends ££££s on property abroad really should go into detail and seek expert advice. You surely knew there was a property issue in “trnc”, why didn’t you ask the ROC what its take on the matter was. People like you only listened to what they wanted to hear, why do you think pre 1974 TC property sold for twice the price of “exchange”? Why do you think the Foreign and Commonwealth Office published warnings about buying in the north of Cyprus? Surely you were aware that the “trnc” was not recogised by the UN etc. If you had bothered to study the island’s history from both sides viewpoint I’m sure you would not have fallen into the trap.
You blindly took advantage of the situation through greed and ignorance with little or no regard for the real owners of the land you “acquired”, shame on you.
Boys Boys put your toy swords away and stop this child like fighting. Que Sera, Sera (what will be will be) It’s New Years day for goodness sake!! The corruption of governments will decide what the outcome will be. Until that happen enjoy each day. Trust me you will feel much better for it.
Incidentally I am banned from C44. Can assure you It bothers me not. And only because I’m not a dog lover. Smelly things and so are the dogs!!
The C44 forum is now closed.
Reason: It served no purpose!
everyone knows little nige took down 44.
Article in Cyprus News by President of Greek Cyprus Christofias
“Turkish goodwill needed for settlement”
Blame game is already started?
Whats new.
Jerry,
It never ceases to amuse me just how easy it is for people like you to cast blame, make judgements and form conclusions about others without having the shred of an idea what is truly the case. And, of course, you can never be wrong.
Your last sentence says it all, and demonstrates clearly why there will never be a Cyprus accord.
OK Ian, perhaps you can explain how my judgments and conclusions are wrong and what the true case is? Why don’t you tell us in detail how you decided to buy in north Cyprus.
Perhaps you can explain to me why I, a British born half Cypriot, am not allowed to enjoy the use of my holiday/retirement home built in 1972. I have never done anything bad to TCs, I have employed some in the UK over the years, I am not a citizen of Cyprus so I have never endorsed the ROC with a vote. I believe my house is currently occupied by a carpetbagger like yourself, do you think that is right?
I cannot believe what I am reading here. Are these ROC supporters actually admitting that the Gc’s were at least partly to blame – a great step forward.
As for Nige and co, nobody here with more than one brain cell is impressed by your rants. Get out and do something useful with what is left of your life.
Troodo.
Shame that Cy44.com has been closed – I enjoyed reading it and listening to all the carpetbaggers sob stories
zzz, it’s so nice to see a change in attitudes in the New Year – your’s has not be one of them
Why should attitudes change over night?
Troodo, many GCs have felt the blame should be shared, however interference from outside has been the main driver of the conflict. The ordinary Cypriots lived for centuries together without conflict, some even changed their religion so in some instances they share the same bloodline. Some TCs only spoke Greek.
Jerry.
If what you say is right, most of those ordinary GC’s were very silent between 1960 and 1974 – not exactly deafening now. As for interference from outside, do you mean the Greek coup or the Turkish intervention, or perhaps both? Do you really expect any sane person to believe that if Turkey had stayed their hand there would be one Turkish Cypriot left in Cyprus today?
why shouldn’t attitudes change over night? Many attitudes were created over night.
When you have a war – inflicted on you or started by you – you pay the price when you lose. That’s a lesson from history, my friends. South Cyprus cheated itself into the EU (eternal shame on the crook Papadopoulos – may his bones be gone forever) and is now demanding from Turkey to do what South Cyprus demands before entering the EU. You are an absolute laugh with your one million or so inhabitants. Most real cities in Europe have more inhabitants than your so-called state (RoC = Rest of Cyprus). Do you really think some 600+ million Europeans will be bribed very much longer by your Communist president and your black robed, idiot, imitation Makarios “Archbishop”? Who do you think you are, you very few “Greek speaking Cypriots”?! Indeed, someone said it here: get real.
RE msg 21, Jerry: (…
The ordinary Cypriots lived for centuries together without conflict (…
=> You don’t know your own history. As far back as the the Turkish Conquest of Cyprus (1570/71) there have been problems between the Ottoman Turkish conquerors and the Greek speaking Cypriots. Culminating in the hanging of some black robed “GC men of god (because of early ‘Enosis’ [in the 19th century]” and all the problems following. Please read about the history of this island before you talk nonsense again. Thank you.
Hans Doeleman,
A little birdie tells me that your online bravado has earned you one of the top 5 spots for 2010… let’s just say you’ve been made a priority!
http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net/index_files/Article26.htm
Regards, GR!
So, GR, someone (?) is going to issue a European Arrest Warrant against Hans for a debt? I assume it is to do with stolen property. Let’s see – why don’t they issue warrants against the entire north Cyprus government and charge them for possession of a stolen slice of a country? There is no way those TCs will be able to evade capture as many of them enter the EU regularly. Or do they have some sort of immunity?
Hans Doleman, obviously English is not your first language, read what I wrote again. THE ORDINARY CYPRIOT. Of course there was some conflict at a political level. You make it sound as if both communities were at each others throats during the 300 years of Ottoman rule, if that were the case I’m sure the Turks would have massacred the entire population as they had on other occupied Greek islands. I suggest you read a few more books on the history of Cyprus yourself and from more varied sources. Go back to your illiterate friends on CY44, you may impress them – you don’t impress me.
You mentioned in another post:-
“When you have a war – inflicted on you or started by you – you pay the price when you lose. That’s a lesson from history, my friends”
Are you being serious? This is not the Middle Ages, do you honestly think it was right to expel one third of the GC population from their homes? Even the Nazis left the majority of the indigenous population in most of the countries they conquered.
Turkey could have forced the ROC to adhere to the terms of the 1960 constitution but it chose to divide the island for the “benefit” of the Turkish Cypriots – many who have now left the island.
RE msg 26, Get real!: (…
A little birdie tells me that your online bravado has earned you one of the top 5 spots for 2010… let’s just say you’ve been made a priority! (…
=> Thank you! Much obliged! And how would you try to damage me in Holland, you silly?
P.S. DO send the bailiff to me who was sent to the Orams. My dogs will start the Dobermann job and I ‘ll be happy to finish it.
P.P.S. As a “reward” I’ve put your site on “DC’S PORTAL” (Cyprus sites and Bulletin Boards): http://is.gd/5ILD3
I’m very glad you all support Cyprus44 (see title of this thread) – why else would you react here?! Thanks!
Cyprus44 is currently back online
Rather old post but the words “FREEDOM OF SPEECH” caught my attention.!!!
I was banned not for using foul language but for FREEDOM OF SPEECH !!!
What a bunch of first class Plonkers !!
All , mostly all I ought to add , are cheapskates currently shaking in their …underpants , well not exactly shaking but you know what I mean !!
Roll on TUESDAY THE 19TH !!
Yiannis
Freedom of Speech is your right.
The right to be wrong is theirs.
Even cheapskates have rights you know.
Polly , in a true democracy ALL have rights to free speech , all it seems apart from those expressing opposing views from those held by the …cheapskates !!!
That the “trnc” is a part of Cyprus under the occupation of Turkey is an unquestionable fact according to the UN , the EU , the Commonwealth and all nations on this planet , however the cheapskates don’t think so , I wonder why …. !!
Ermmmmmm we’re banned lololololol
xxxxx
Yiannis wrote, “the “trnc” is a part of Cyprus under the occupation of Turkey…however the cheapskates don’t think so”
So, I’m not a cheapskate after all. I’m with any plan that reduces Turkish troops to the same number as Greek or British troops and with the same role as these troops.
Malc,
I’m still trying to figure out how your Turkish title property has recently been transformed into a TRNC title property. Is it related to your not so subtle shift in position from reasonably neutral resident of NC to fully blown supporter of the carpetbaggers’ position? Has something recently been confirmed to you that should have been obvious at the time of purchase? Or is it all about hits?
I’m just a dumb hack, me.
Hi Campbell, you never did answer my question about your property in Girne. BTW, the “T” in TRNC stands for Turkish.
Mal mes.36
Neither the Greek nor the British troops stationed in Cyprus are involved in selling T/C properties in the free part of Cyprus. The Turkish troops are here as a direct result of the viciously executed Turkish invasion which resulted in the death of thousands and the displacement of more than 160 thousand G/Cs who run for their lives leaving behind their ancestral lands so that the likes of the British yobs would lay their sweaty grubby hands on.
Some of the cheapskates still support the nonsense that Turkey just had to ” intervene” in order to bring to a stop the ongoing , non existent , “massacre” of the T/Cs.
NONE LOST LIVES AS A RESULT OF THE CONFLICT SIX YEARS PRIOR TO THE TURKISH INVASION.
You have that wrong Yiannis – I would be apalled for anyone to be
banned for speaking their mind – I may not agree with your point of
view but at least you have an opinion and the b***s to express
it. You may not approve of what us cheapskates have done, but
give us the same rights, like I said everyone has the right to
be wrong (in your view).
ABAG
Been away all day yesterday so what have I missed – banned
from where or what?
Yiannis, if you want to harp back to the past don’t forget 1571/2. You’ve said it all before and you’re back to singling out Brits because of your past experience and all you’re showing is that, because of the past, TCs can never safely live in a Federation and that two separate states is the only way forward.
Polly mes 40.
I do not have to give you something that you already have , the right to express your views regardless how stupid such views might be.
Purchasing land in a part of Cyprus that the entire international community considers to be land occupied by Turkey following the invasion of 1974 isn’t exactly a clever move is it ? It is an act with the same morals as that of a robber depriving me of my property by force and then selling my property to you.
I have said on numerous occasions , but I will say it again. The majority members of my family , my late wife and her ancestors , were all English , I consider my self partly English since in my children’s and grandchildren’s veins English blood flows, I make this point in order that you understand that Im in no way anti British , Im just anti cheapskates who knowing fully well that the northern part of Cyprus is under the occupation of Turkey and that land is more than likely G/C owned since 84% of land in the occupied parts was and still is according to the EU , G/C owned , yet driven by greed and ignorance they chose to invest in dubious land.
The back of the lorry industry in the UK is quite large , do I respect it and accept as part of life ? Not on your ..Polly !
Malcolm mes 42.
Whit the risk of repeating my self I thought I clarify a couple of things .
I have been posting on the Cyprus Forum , you know the one with FREEDOM OF SPEECH , unlike the Turkish mainland crappy CY44 , as MILTIADES.
Over the last four years I have been challenged by many GR included , who consider my pro British pro Western stand as unacceptable. I’m an open book , everyone knows where I stand , they also know that I consider the T/Cs not as a minority but as Cypriots hence part of th e majority, I consider them as indigenous Cypriots and over the years I have come to be respected for my views by tens of T/Cs who post on CF .
You appear to think that I somehow have a grudge against the British because of my past , I presume you meant my involvement in the struggle against British Imperialism.
Let me put you straight here.
I fully support our soldiers both in Iraq and Afhanistan , I fully support Britains need to safeguard her interests worldwide , but I what I do not support is British yobs going to a football match in Europe causing mayhem , I do not support British thugs who attack emergency services here in the UK ,I do not support British criminals and neither do I support Brits who knowingly as most of you do , purchase land that belongs to me and was taken from me by force.
My late father in law as well as his brother were both prisoners of war in Japan. I would not tarnish their memory by harbouring anti British sentiments but they stood for justice freedom and fairness , something that I consider you and the other cheapskates do not .
Yiannis Sorry to disappoint you but when
Yiannis The gremlins are attacking my laptop so I just
hope this gets on alright. I have bought here but my property
has, and never will be in my name due to buying from a T.C.
who subsequently mortgaged it and probably ownership will
go to the Bank. Why is that although it is wrong for us to buy
it does not appear to be wrong in the eyes of G.C. for the T.C.
to have sold it? I am one of the lucky ones, I would never have
bought if I could not afford to walk away and as a back up made
sure i have no assets in the U.K. to be picked off.
Polly , of course we consider the “sellers” just as we consider the “buyers” to be acting illegally . What gave you the idea that we do not apportion blame on the sellers.
Most selling is done by the Turkish army and their cronies .Denktash has benefited enormously by stealing G/C land and so have the so called “TRNC”
government stooges.
In all honesty would you expect me to forego land that my father grandfather and beyond owned and toiled over for hundreds of years and accept that you and the other cheapskates enjoy? Not on your … Polly
It is time that you all realize that the “trnc” is a pseudo state administered by a corrupt political system based on third world values , the so called judiciary is as corrupt if not more than primitive African warlords.
You have no chance of obtaining justice in this unrecognized and occupied part of Cyprus.
You must admit that the only reason you “purchased ” in this illegal state was because properties were cheap , hence why I call you Cheapskates !
The Orams are being pursued for occupying GC property. They cannot buy something that the TC did not own. The next step will be for TCs who are currently UK citizens to pursue the same cases in Cyprus against GCs occupying TC property. The only difference will be that the GCs will scream that this is unfair.
Polly
Banned from Cyp 44
xxxxx
ABAG
No surprise there then. I couldnt even join cos I had
a free e mail. Malcolm will never ban you – he really
believes in free speech doesnt just give it lip service.
Hands up anyone who bought property from the Turkish Army.
I personally no of no-one but hey i dont know everyone.
Come of fellow cheapskates ‘fess up.
Malcolm , the T/C owned properties in the RoC are held in trust by the government of the legally recognized RoC. Not one single T/C owned property has been sold by vagabonds to either local or foreign properties. The law in the RoC protects the ownership rights of the deed holder , where land has been expropriated this has been carried out withing the framework of the judicial system .Any T/C wishing to take possession of his property would have to meet the criteria required that he resides in the ROC for six months .I know of no T/C who has had his land sold off to third parties.
Another important aspect of the law is that a T/C who was not a resident of Cyprus prior to the invasion has an automatic right to his/her property .
I left Cyprus in 1961 , do I have the right to claim my property in the occupied parts. NO !
Get your facts right Malcolm .
Hey Yiannis,
Wow! So you’re the (in)famous Miltiades! I remember reading quite a lot of dreadful postings from him (you) that contained some really quite disgracefully foul language. Sorry, but no matter how frustrated you feel or how much hatred and scorn you want to tip on people like me, there simply is no excuse for that kind of language. I’m glad you’ve decided to out yourself, and also that you seem to have toned down your language to the point where now it is only mildly belligerent and insulting.
At least it’s satisfying to see you’re retaining your spin nicely. You’ve managed to group a fair bit of antisocial thuggery into one congealed, unacceptable mess…”what I do not support is British yobs going to a football match in Europe causing mayhem , I do not support British thugs who attack emergency services here in the UK ,I do not support British criminals and neither do I support Brits who knowingly as most of you do , purchase land that belongs to me and was taken from me by force.”
I doubt anyone would disagree with your first three, mate, but trying to include the last one is stretching the laccy a bit much, don’t you think?
Polly, The Turkish army is in control of the occupied parts of Cyprus.
Who do you think apportioned / sold land to T/Cs residing in northern Cyprus .
Someone had to apportion these lands and that someone was the Turkish army .
Every piece of land stolen from its legal owners , such as the Orams land , has been usurped by the Turkish Army who in turn sold it off to others.
Your comment that you know of no one who purchased from the T/A is rather naive I’m afraid .
Ian mes 53.
I think most readers were aware of my participation on the CF as Miltiades , which incidentaly is my second name. If by foul language you mean my straightforward no punches pulled style with the occasional f word thrown in then I’m guilty as charged.
So which type of language did you find insulting to your ..intelligence mate ?
The fact that I consider the Brits who “purchased” stolen G/C property as scum I have never concealed. You took advantage of a sad event and not being able to afford a legal purchase you opted for stolen property so what does this act make you mate , honourable ?
Why the freaking hell should I react differently when cheapskates rushed in to buy my ancestral land !
I reckon “Polly” needs to get it into his head that the Turkish army has ultimate control of the north of Cyprus, and no-one else.
Why else would the Turkish Cypriot civil police be a functional and operational part of the Turkish army? How many real countries and democracies does that happen in? The Turkish Cypriots have no real control over their own destiny.
Can you imagine the Great British Bobby taking his orders from some army general at GHQ? When you talk about the TRNC you are talking about a banana republic – except most banana republics are recognised by the rest of the world.
Malcolm,
I can’t remember what you asked me about my house but I have a fair idea, so I’ll cover the main points.
1. It is is Kyrenia.
2. I bought it some 10 years ago.
3. It was owned by a G-Cypriot who sold it to a T-Cypriot in 1957.
4. I have a T-Cypriot kocan in my name confirming Turkish title.
5. I have a T-Cypriot search document confirming previous owners.
6. I have a RoC certificate of ownership, globally recognised.
7. I paid only a deposit until I had permission to purchase.
I can’t understand why anyone of sound mind would not take even minimum precautions before buying abroad. But I can understand perfectly why some people buy war victims’ stolen property. These individuals are of poor character and possibly of a criminal mindset and bring shame upon themselves and the UK.
So anyway, given everyone knew “TRNC title” (or “exchange”
meant seized from a Greek Cypriot, and that you’re a clever cookie, how come you used to be neutral and described your place as Turkish title but have now become a cheerleader for the occupation authority? Were things not as they “seemed”?
Gee PP, I see you’re at it again. It was ad nauseum before, and you’re still going! Perhaps you should write a paper entitled “101 Clever Ways to Purchase Cypriot Real Estate”, by Pte Pike…
I was just one of those people who came to the island and accepted what a lawyer told me was fact. I knew nothing of “receiving stolen goods” or “vultures circling dead meat” or “carpetbaggers taking advantage of others’ misfortunes” or….I simply bought an affordable property which carried what I considered an acceptable risk. A 4-year-old property. Are you saying all we 14 owners of the villas on previously vacant land should give them all to the prior GC owner and move out? What would he do with them all?
And can you please advise me what on earth is wrong with a police force which is either military, civil or civil acting under military orders, so long as they keep the peace?
If TRNC is such a contemptuous and despicable “banana republic”, Pike, why do you live there? Why not sell up and move south?
Ian Edwards said: “I was just one of those people who came to the island and accepted what a lawyer told me was fact.”
So where is your credibility in any debate when you have been so colosally stupid?
“I knew nothing of “receiving stolen goods” or “vultures circling dead meat” or “carpetbaggers taking advantage of others’ misfortunes””
Does one’s nose start to get a little longer at this point? Or shall we just settle for colossal stupididty AND ignorance?
“I simply bought an affordable property which carried what I considered an acceptable risk.”
Now we’re getting a little warmer…
“A 4-year-old property. Are you saying all we 14 owners of the villas on previously vacant land should give them all to the prior GC owner and move out? What would he do with them all?”
If he or she chooses to take you to court you may well have to move out – and cough up the compo. If the GC owner also orders you to demolish the villas then you may have another problem.
“And can you please advise me what on earth is wrong with a police force which is either military, civil or civil acting under military orders, so long as they keep the peace?”
It’s called democracy and accountability to the people. Of course, these people are your hosts the Turkish Cypriots, and given the Cypriots are only there for you to exploit (and vice-versa) your lack of empathy is understandable.
“If TRNC is such a contemptuous and despicable “banana republic”, Pike, why do you live there? Why not sell up and move south?”
You make a mistaken assumption that I live there all the time. In any case I see north and south as one Cyprus – as does the rest of the world.
Hullo again PP,
“If he or she chooses to take you to court you may well have to move out – and cough up the compo. If the GC owner also orders you to demolish the villas then you may have another problem.” Sorry, but why would I have to move out and cough up any compo, and why would I have a problem about demolishing my villa?
“And can you please advise me what on earth is wrong with a police force which is either military, civil or civil acting under military orders, so long as they keep the peace?”
“It’s called democracy and accountability to the people. Of course, these people are your hosts the Turkish Cypriots, and given the Cypriots are only there for you to exploit (and vice-versa)your lack of empathy is understandable.”
I’m probably not reading this right, or my poor old brain is simply not in the same class as yours, Pike, but where is there any semblance of relevance between my question and your answer?
“If TRNC is such a contemptuous and despicable “banana republic”, Pike, why do you live there? Why not sell up and move south?”
Do you not see just a touch of the illogic here Pike? You condemn the TRNC as a “banana republic”, and then in the next breath claim that you see “north and south as one Cyprus – as does the rest of the world.”
Can’t have it both ways mate…
Ian , mes 60
“If TRNC is such a contemptuous and despicable “banana republic”,
So you think Mr that the “trnc” is not a banana republic !!
No currency of its own , no direct mail , no direct flights , no postage stamps , IDs passports, or indeed any of the internationaly recognized credentials that make a nation , but of course our Australian cheapskate thinks otherwise.Its not a banana republic then , what is it then mate .
Look mate , I visit Kyrenia often I think its a beautiful city I think the T/Cs are decent hard working lovely people I just hate what the occupation army of Turkey is doing to the island.
Hundreds of churches dessecrated , icons pinched and sold , the cultural heretage of this part of Cyprus dessimated , thousands of Anatolian peasants imported into Cyprus with the sole purpose of altering the demographics of the island. We shall not accept it now or later. The island belongs to the Cypriots not to some bloody third world nation that took three months to decide if its women folk should wear a headscarf or not.
You Mr , bought stolen land because it was CHEAP , as simple as that cowboy.
Dear me, Yiannis, you really ought to read the posts more carefully. Nowhere did I claim the TRNC was not a banana republic. I merely posed a couple of questions to the insufferable Pike that he declined to answer.
And for goodness’ sake Yiannis, “I just hate what the occupation army of Turkey is doing to the island”! I can’t speak for everyone in TRNC of course, but from my perspective I don’t see the Turkish army doing anything but bugger-all. They actually don’t go around in big convoys desecrating churches or pinching and selling icons, mate, so I’m not quite sure what it is you’ve been observing…
You really should try to cut down on both the insults and the spin and concentrate on rational debate. As I’ve said before, it just costs you credibility and dignity. I’ve remembered that piece of uncensored filthy language of yours on the Cyprus site (“another thieving c***), and I’m very glad that Malcolm would not allow that kind of garbage on here.
As I’ve also said before, if you can’t get over the past, there’s no hope for the future.
polly says: “…as a back up made sure i have no assets in the U.K. to be picked off.”
All EU sources of income such as pensions, are also fair game…
Malcolm Channing says: “The next step will be for TCs who are currently UK citizens to pursue the same cases in Cyprus against GCs occupying TC property”
Rubbish! This will never happen and I’ve already explained to you why with credible links, but of course you have the right to remain in the dark and/or spread misinformation.
Ian , I have used the f word word on a number of occasions , that is as far as my foul language went. The c word you used its not a part of my vocabulary , I’m a family man and would never use filthy language , the odd effing this and that yes but never filthy language. You are mixing me up with someone else mate.
Now back to the dessecration of churches in the banana republic.
Have a read of this :
he Times”, 5.27.1976
“The little treasure house of Antiphonitis Monastery, in the mountains north of Lefkoniko, had sustained the most comprehensive looting and damage….the 11th, 12th, and 15th century icons..all had vanished or had been destroyed. The nineteenth and twentieth century icons were smashed, the furniture broken. In the corner were bags of cement and the remains of a fire. Furniture had been lugged outside onto the grass, and the whole place was a strewn with bottles and filth. Somebody was clearly proud of this work, for the wrecked iconostasis the date was chalked March 6, 1975.”
“The Times”, 5.27.1976
The report (August 9)from the Cyprus Director of Antiquities on the recent looting or desecration of the mosaics in the church of Panayia Kanakaria in the Turkish occupied north of Cyprus has reopened the debate on the fate of churches, monasteries and mosques on that unhappy island.
As a journalist I have travelled widely and freely on both sides of the partition line. In Turkish Cyprus there was large scale damage to churches in the immediate aftermath of the 1974 intervention. That was perhaps understandahle. More recently, historic churches have been seized, stripped and whitewashed and converted into mosques. One example is on the fringes of Nicosia, another outside Famagusta. Others have been desecrated.
Less than a year ago, travelling in the company of Mr. Mustapha Adiloglou, press official in London of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus we came across a desecrated church in the centre of a busy village between Famagusta and Nicosia. Fresh excrement and urine lay on the smashed altar and the floor. The church Bible had been used as toilet paper and the wall paintings gashed and disfigured. The icons had vanished. From the state of the place it was clear that this was not a single act of violation. The place obviously had been a public convenience for months.
In fairness one should add that some churches (particularly tourist conscious Kyrenia) have been restored by the rurkish authorities and are either open for prayer or tourism or securely locked.
“The Times”, 19.8.80
Yenidyzen
“The Turkish Cypriot Arts Society leader, Ali Atakan, in a statement issued on May 20 revealed yet more antique smuggling. According to this revelation, a valuable Byzantine mosaic has been stolen from a Byzantine Church in the village of Lythrangomi. There are two inter-connected churches in the village and the mosaic was stolen from the apse of the older church which dates back to the 8th century…”
Turkish Cypriot “Yenidyzen”, 6.1.1982
“You will see chambers cut out of the rocks, lighthouses, the remains of baths, layouts and the military camps set up on the ruins both before and after 1974… Today Lambousa is a military zone closed to tourists. Here are many important churches and the mythological Akhiropietos Monastery. Now you cannot see it because it is being used as a military warehouse. The icons stolen from Lambousa were retrieved while being smuggled out of Ankara airport.”
Le Monde
“The antiques are illegaly exported from the northern part of the island, especially rich in archaeological sites’
“Le Monde”, 12.27.1978
Bozkurt
“The Cyprus Arts Society in the occupied areas issued a press release saying that the antique smuggling in the occupied areas has reached enourmous dimensions and that measures should be taken to protect the destruction of the antiques.”
Turkish Cypriot “Bozkurt”, 7.4.1982
Yiannis, if you say so mate I’ll believe you. I did see that quote, and I was sure it was under the name of Miltiades…it’s probably still on file on the site.
But gee Yiannis, you backpedal from your spin a lot. Your quote was “I just hate what the occupation army of Turkey is doing to the island”. Do you understand the verb tense of “is doing”? It’s called present continuous and means NOW. The most recent occurrence in your book of quotes is dated 28 years ago, and additionally there is no evidence pointing at the Turkish army that I could see. The looting of antiquities is deplorable, but it’s big business, and has been for some time, and can be organised by anyone at all.
You haven’t actually proved a hell of a lot here mate…
Thanks for the English lesson Ian !!
The Turkish army has mostly completed its agenda didnt you know ?
Thousands of Turkish Anatolian peasants , renamed each and every village and town in the occupied part.Villages and towns that have been known by their individual names for hundreds of years , there is nothing left for the Turkish army to denigrate , to convert into mosques , to loot and defile , use your common sense mate ,you can not de-virgin a raped woman or desecrate a church twice.
As for my usage of filthy language I assure you that you are mistaken , f..ing and blinding its about my limit .
You make more sense, Yiannis, when you ease up on the spin and concentrate on facts.
Yes, thousands of mainland Turks have come over, villages and towns have been re-named (I’d have quite happily lived in a village with a GC name, but there was a lot of feeling about what the GCs had done to the TCs) and there has been some desecration of churches…all true.
But what purpose does trading nastiness serve? Are you going to try to tell me that nothing of the same kind happened to mosques or TC villages and homes in the south?
It is good to share views, argue your point and in my case, gain
more knowledge of the situation – dont call me stupid for not knowing, I had no reason to know previous to my adventures here.
Pt.Pike is lucky, he will have you believe as the font of all knowledge that his purchase wasnt serendipity. For those of us
who bought during the sales boom time here, the properties
were NOT cheap. I will never own the property I paid for so I
guess my Pension is safe, they will have to go after the Bank
who I guess will have some money although looking at the prudent
way they have been lending, it wont be much.
You can put your points till the cows come home. As with life – time will change everything and boy
how quickly that passes.
ABAG whatever did you say to make them ban you?
Polly , not to know is no disgrace , not to want to know is a shame , but to want to know and not be able to find out is a tragedy.
Get your self a book written by a Turkish Cypriot author /journalist, it is called “OYSTERS WITH THE MISSING PEARLS ” By SEVGUL ULUDAG.
A T/C but above all , like myself , a true Cypriot , she was not aiming to attain favours from anyone , she merely presented her story as told by eyewitnessess , both G/C and T/C . She did not receive , like Lord Maginnis did in the occupied parts, free property by the RoC.
The British were largely responsible for the conflict between our two Cypriot communities. This is what Laurence Durrell in his book ” BITTER LEMONS OF CYPRUS ” had to say:
“”No longer wanting to be treated as children of the Empire, ready to stand alone. In return, the colonial masters behaved with the usual incompetence and misunderstanding, imagining the Cypriots to be an eternally childish people, perhaps even noble island savages. Anthony Eden had more global and devious intentions (Cyprus being not far from Suez, Palestine, Syria), and in secret tensions between Turkey and Greece were being deliberately inflamed. But the colonial administration made a more basic error. Cyprus was part of a Europe that had changed, matured even. But the administration simply could not see that truth. It was no longer an island of farmers, but rather a homeland to a highly mobile international workforce, dispersed across Europe and America. The island that they thought they were governing, the island of the Tree of Idleness, was disappearing fast. And as Durrell smartly observes, by simply ignoring the issue for so long, an extremist result only became more likely – after all, there’s plenty of time to sit around under the tree, or in the café, continually exaggerating the nationalist story; the Cypriots being great story tellers.”
All that we now hear from some Brits is “terrorists” EOKA terrorists , the people who wanted a change , the right to rule their own destiny which Britain , and I understand why , refuse to grant . You are in my house , Im your servant in mmy own house , I resist and you label me a terrorist . Another Great British Joke , invented by a corrupt and incompetent administration , forced upon the people of Cyprus but above all forced on to the Great British Public which today is paying dearly for the incompetence of past administrations.
There are in the UK upwards of 300 thousand Cypriots , some descendants of the 30 thousand Cypriot volunteers who joined the British army fighting the Nazis in the the last War .
Our Cypriot community in the UK REPRESSENTS NO LIABILITY to the British public , we have become one with the British , like my self who married an English lady acquiring a large number of relatives in the process , there are thousands of other Cypriots .
We do not hate the British , some of us are more British / English than the English themselves , you may find it strange that I , a G/C fly the St.Georges flag on St Georges day in my shop window , I dare to do so when English are reluctant to do so since authorities frown upon such exhibition of nationalism. I shall continue to do so in honour of my late English wife and her family.
So why is it that I and many thousands of Cypriots resent the fact that Brits have ” bought” OUR properties in the occupied part of Cyprus ?
I WILL LET YOU DECIDE ON THAT !
Have a nice Sunday .
YS,
Your msg 54.
You said:
“Every piece of land stolen from its legal owners , such as the Orams land , has been usurped by the Turkish Army who in turn sold it off to others.”
I think you will find that the land you refer to was not “sold off” by the Turkish Army, but was, in fact, awarded FOC to TCs who could demonstrate that they had abandoned land of similar acreage in the South, under the disputed “exchange” system. These TCs then sold off some/all of this land and this is what much of the property built since 1974 is built on.
You might not agree with the probity of the exchange system, but it is the case that the land was NOT “sold off” by the TR army, as you wrongly insist it was.
YS,
Your msg 61:
You said, when referring to TRNC:
“No currency of its own , no direct mail , no direct flights , no postage stamps , IDs passports…”
You really do need to be more careful of the facts you bandy about:
1. RoC has “no currency of its own” either.
2. TRNC does have postage stamps of its own which I use for mail to the UK and this mail is delivered by the Royal Mail.
3. TRNC does have IDs (kimlik cards) which are accepted by your own RoC authorities when produced on the crossing points.
4. TRNC does have passports which are accepted in the USA and the UK amongst other countries as well as TR.
Please contradict me on the above points, 1 to 4.
VW mes 71
Dont be a Plonker all your life mate , the RoC HAS ITS OWN CURRENCY IT IS CALLED THE EURO , you know the currency that France , Greece , Germany and most of Europe has , it replaced the CY £ !!!
Have a look at the postage stamps of the “trnc” , what exactly do they say ?
As for passports accepted in the USA and UK , have a close look Plonker what does the passport say .
Comparing the RoC with her illegal Turkish occupied territory is daft! If you must draw comparisons then a suitable candidate for the “TRNC” is the Tamil Tiger occupied territory of Sri Lanka.
YS,
1. The Euro isn’t the RoC’s OWN currency. You opted to ADOPT the Euro, sharing it with other countries, by joing the Eurozone. RoC HAD its own currency, the Cyprus Pound, it doesn’t any more.
2. The postage stamps used in TRNC are TRNC stamps.
3. No comment about ID cards???
4. I don’t have a TRNC passport so you tell us what it says.
VW MES 74
Plonker , the “TRNC” has no mail service of its own , its mail has to go through Turkey , the stamps issued are TURKISH ! The same with the passports , are you thick or what , there are 60 thousand T/Cs in possession of the RoC passport and ID CARDS , WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS.!!
Can’t waste any more time with a first class Plonker , tally ho !!!
YS,
TRNC mail to the UK goes on CTA flights direct to the UK (not off-loaded in TR) where the Royal Mail accepts and delivers it. You don’t want to accept that the stamps and the passports are issued by the TRNC authorities. Many small(er) countries use printers in other countries to produce their stamps and currency, etc., De La Rue, for example produces bank notes, etc., for over 150 countries.
However, I see the “own” currency item has joined the ID card silence….so can we take it you have conceded those two?
Calling me a plonker doesn’t strengthen your argument btw, it just makes you sound like Del-Boy.
YS
Your 75.
“..the stamps issued are TURKISH !”
Take a look at:
http://www.postadairesi.com/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=88&page=inline&id=498&catid=40&limitstart=5
Now tell me again that our stamps are Turkish.
Hi Yiannis,
You seem to have got a fair bit of the story wrong, mate. The stamps aren’t Turkish and the mail goes direct to the UK.
How much else of what you write is similarly wrong?
And as I said before, and VW reiterated, insulting people only weakens your own argument and lowers your dignity.
Lets all knock on Bob Lessins Door , he has a house in TRNC, wall street kids at the party just sit around on ‘bean’ bags and drink beer, cos Bob lessin the wall street banker, cant get an import licence for his stuff.! after
Bob was invited to meet Mr Talat at short notice ( he didnt bring a suite) he realised he had been shafted and wrote a book.
…. more to follow ..
Plonkers ,
The stamps are TURKISH.Get it in your thick sculls .
The so called “trnc” is NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE THE UK OR ANY ONE ELSE.
The “trnc” has no direct flights or mail with any nation on earth , the stamps are TURKISH not T/C .
Where are your brains !!
YS,
I can only conclude that you didn’t take a look at the link I gave you:
Take a look at:
http://www.postadairesi.com/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=88&page=inline&id=498&catid=40&limitstart=5
The stamps are all quite clearly marked KKTC and I know personally that Royal Mail delivers items of post bearing these stamps in the UK. If there isn’t an arrangement (and therefore a degree of acknowledgement, if not recognition) then someone else is picking up the postage tab for the last leg of the delivery within the UK.
I have already told you that the mail is not taken off the plane in Turkey and is flown direct (not non-stop) to the UK. Many smaller countries have their mail routed via other countries for sorting and onward delivery. How do you expect, for example, Malta sends its mail to New Zealand? I doubt there are any flights direct and/or non-stop between these two countries. The fact that TRNC mail is flown via Turkey is no different.
I see that you are now not contesting the passport item, so can we take that as being put to bed along with the ID card and own currency myths you seem to cherish?
VW , you will forgive me if I ignored your efforts to convince me of the legality of the “TRNC” !!!!
I can have stamps bearing my companies name and have them appearing on all of my mail !!!
As for IDs and Passports , don’t be silly , of course they are …legal documents , try using them next time you arrive in the UK !!
Sorry mate but you are not up to or anywhere near the levels required in order to debate the Cyprob.
Yiannis, you can indeed have stamps on your post bearing your company name but if they do not also have a legally acceptable stamp as well then all your customers will have to pay the post plus an extra £1. This does not apply in the UK in the case of TRNC stamps. Why this is the case I do not know but I would guess that you are right that these are Turkish stamps and would be the equivalent of the UK Post Office putting your company on THEIR stamps.
Thank you for clearing up the EOKA and EOKA B mystery. I’m interested in the idea that no TC was killed by EOKA/B until after the TMT attacks against GCs during the inter-communal conflict in 1958. I assume you are saying that the TMT made the first strike. Before you start reading into this, I really don’t know in detail what happened during the year you joined the EOKA. BTW, Britain’s Small Wars would like your story for their website at http://www.britains-smallwars.com.
YS,
I am not trying to convince you of the legality or otherwise of the TRNC. I am trying to get you to concede that some of what you say is simply not true.
1. You can have your own stamps produced and stick them on your outgoing mail, but if your stamp is not accompanied by an official stamp in the country that it is posted, it won’t get far. Please prove me wrong, here.
2. TRNC IDs are recognized in “RoC”. They are used every day by TCs crossing into/out of the “RoC” where they are accepted by your own authorities. Please prove me wrong here.
3. TRNC passports are accepted in UK and USA when accompanied by a valid visa. Until recently, UK passports had to have a visa attached for the bearer to enter the USA. Please prove me wrong here.
I didn’t know we were debating the CyProb – I thought I was rubbishing your spurious claims about TRNC currency, stamps, ID cards and Passports, all of which you have failed to substantiate. Your claims are clearly erroneus and you know it, hence your weak attempts at ridicule.
Cyprus – Illegal Issues of Postage Stamps
Dear Sir/Madam
The postal administration of CYPRUS asks me to inform you of the following:
“The postal administration of the Republic of Cyprus informs the member countries of the Union that the illegal regime in the territory occupied by the Turkish army issued, on 12 November 1999, a set of “postage stamps” entitled “Anniversaries and Events” for the 35 years of the so-called “Turkish Cypriot Postal Administration”, the 125th anniversary of the UPU and the Eclipse of the Sun on 11 August 1999.
“As we have already stated in a previous representation and in accordance with resolution C 5 adopted on 19 September 1979 by the 18th Congress of the UPU in Rio de Janeiro, the above-mentioned “stamps” are, like all previous issues, illegal and cannot be valid for the prepayment of mail posted in any part of the Republic of Cyprus. Furthermore, in accordance with the above resolution, member countries of the UPU should refuse to handle any mail bearing these illegal postage stamps.”
Yours faithfully,
M S RAMAN
Assistant Director-General
Hi BARRI,
Thanks for backing me up here.
1. You confirm that the de facto TRNC (“..the territory occupied by the Turkish army.”
does issue its own stamps.
2. “…member countries of the UPU should refuse to handle any mail bearing these illegal postage stamps.”
We both know that the UK/Royal Mail is in the UPU but that they DO handle this mail, despite resolution C 5 adopted on 19 September 1979 by the 18th Congress of the UPU. Care to guess why?
It also seems strange that the UPU has not taken the Royal Mail to task over this, in any discernable way.
Care to hazard a guess why that also might be?
Hey YS and BARRI,
Come on in, I haven’t finished splitting hairs on this one.
I admit, in the light of the Orams result, this is small beer, but I can’t resist hauling on YS’s chain.
I just love this signature :
FREEDOM OF SPEECH !!!!!
WHAT A BUNCH OF CHEAPSKATE PLONKERS
Which freedom of speech is that then CPs ?
I see , freedom to support Turkey and the accessories of theft , if challenged then freedom of speech is denied.
Are you people for real or just senile old age pensioners .
I go away to have some lunch and you’re still at it. Havent you
worked it out yet – if you havent convinced us in the 573 posts
you made, you are never going to Yawnnis.
Now if you cant play nicely, its bed for you my lad and no tea!!
FREEDOM OF SPEECH !!!
Pull the other one it has …
Met a couple the other day , friends of my next door neighbours, they told me of their villa in Kyrenia and how unfair they thought the Courts decision was ! I asked whether it was unfair for Mr Apostolides not to be able to enjoy his property and whether the Orams had a moral right that the legal owner did not.
I was given a similar answer that some of you give , ie we paid for it its ours !!!
Not a word of sympathy for the dispossessed , all their emotions were directed towards their greedy selves.
The back of the lorry aficionados !
Found a buyer yet Pollie ?
Yawnnis – do you have a problem with your short term
memory – one more try – I (that means Polly) do NOT have any property or land in my name in the KKTC – now write that down.
There you go fellow KKTC dwellers. Yawnnis repeats himsef because he has a bad memory so dont be so hard on him. Poor fellow
I think he doesn’t want to play with me anymore. Either that or his silence is a gesture of defeat.
You are right Plonker , the same defeat that Mr Apostolides has recently ….suffered. What a Plonker !
Packed your bags yet mate ?