Kyri, I think you will find that this is …
Comment posted Cyprus smoking ban, is it working? by vaughanwilliams.
Kyri,
I think you will find that this is all part of paying lip-service to EU harmonisation and many aspiring/EU countries pass legislation with very little intention of enforcing it. The UK has been one of the few countries that has allowed the EU to rule it, often to the detriment of its citizens.
BTW, I am an ex-smoker but smoking doesn’t usually bother me.
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G’day Malcolm,
I’ll declare myself, too, as a non-smoker from Australia. We have had smoking bans now in place for many years, and I hate to tell you this, Malcolm, but there is even a smoking ban in force at Subiaco Oval on match days!
The fors and againsts have all been made many times in many different forums all over the world, and the only thing preventing a ban from operating smoothly is time and a natural resistance to change. It is working fine in Australia now, as people have become used to what a smoker can and can’t do. Most people have also now accepted that secondary smoke can indeed cause lung cancer.
I have to say that I have for many yaers been able to enjoy a meal in a restaurant there without people blowing smoke over me, and all work environments are now smoke-free too. In places where people can light up and enjoy a fag, I’m also happy to either join them and stand upwind, or go somewhere else.
I guess my point is that although smokers tend to feel aggrieved at having controls put upon them, things reach a calm and acceptable level over time.
Malcolm,
Is there a similar law in the oppupied territory?
Malcolm,
Is there a similar law in the occupied territory?
Kyri,
I think you will find that this is all part of paying lip-service to EU harmonisation and many aspiring/EU countries pass legislation with very little intention of enforcing it. The UK has been one of the few countries that has allowed the EU to rule it, often to the detriment of its citizens.
BTW, I am an ex-smoker but smoking doesn’t usually bother me.
Hello Mal,
We in the U.S. have a smoking ban also. We are not allowed to smoke in any public building. Most places has a special place for smokers. I am talking about office buildings all the way to manufactoring companies. Some companies however won’t allow you to smoke on thier property. Even in your own vechile. Some companies won’t even hire you if you smoke.I aM A SMOKER BUT MY WIFE ISN’T. But it goes like the banking and insurance and along with the EU. They want to control our life. They have already in the United States require fast food places to put calories on thier menus. They also have the seat beat and child restraint law. You will get a hefty fine if you are caught in the car without it being fastened. They will take your child away from you if they catch your child out of his special seat. That is very pricey. It isn’ the saftey factor that is the problem, it is the control over us that is the problem. They are even talking about you can’t smoke in your own home if there is someone under the age of 18 in it. Even the bars where you could smoke where noone under the age of 18 is allowed, in Feb. you can’t smoke there anymore. You think that isn’t going to hurt the food and achohol business?
All this is CONTROL!!! Like the summit in Copenhagen, on the gobal warming, they want world money like the EU has, and they want it world wide.
The next thing they are going to regulate is fried foods at resturants. It is being discussed in this country. The insurance companies are going to charge you more insurance if you are over weight. Who sets the standards for over weight? They want to control every asspect of your life. From the cradle to the grave!!! To smoke or not to smoke should be a personal decision. Just like to drink in excess or to over eat. Our governments are taking to much control. When are we going to say ENOUGH!!!
Thanks for your newsletter I appreciate you giving us a way to express our feelings and thoughts.
your friend in the U.S,
Garry
Vaughan,
I am also an ex smoker and it also does not bother me.
However, I do not see what your reply has to do with my question. Is smoking also banned in the north?
The smoking ban is the right way to go. In a few years people will look back & be aghast at how smoking was part of every day life prior to now. Can you remember when nearly everyone smoked? Your Mum, our Dad. Smoking at work, in the office, in the pub, in restaurants, in planes, buses, trains etc etc. Not any more. Smoking in the civilised world will gradually ‘die out’ as will the smokers.
Now you can’t smoke at work, in planes, airports, pubs, restaurants etc basically anywhere where others would inhale the smoke and yet smokers accept that and act accordingly.
Restaurants & bars, have missed the point that the majority of people don’t smoke & don’t want to inhale it either, hence the decline in customers over the past few years. If they continue to allow smoking then that decline will continue.
They should redecorate, innovate & celebrate the non smoking way forward to regain lost customers.
Government power the real health hazard
The bandwagon of local smoking bans now steamrolling across the nation has nothing to do with protecting people from the supposed threat of “second-hand” smoke.
Indeed, the bans are symptoms of a far more grievous threat, a cancer that has been spreading for decades and has now metastasized throughout the body politic, spreading even to the tiniest organs of local government. This cancer is the only real hazard involved – the cancer of unlimited government power.
The issue is not whether second-hand smoke is a real danger or is in fact just a phantom menace, as a study published recently in the British Medical Journal indicates. The issue is: If it were harmful, what would be the proper reaction? Should anti-tobacco activists satisfy themselves with educating people about the potential danger and allowing them to make their own decisions, or should they seize the power of government and force people to make the “right” decision?
Supporters of local tobacco bans have made their choice. Rather than trying to protect people from an unwanted intrusion on their health, the bans are the unwanted intrusion.
Loudly billed as measures that only affect “public places,” they have actually targeted private places: restaurants, bars, nightclubs, shops and offices – places whose owners are free to set anti-smoking rules or whose customers are free to go elsewhere if they don’t like the smoke. Some local bans even harass smokers in places where their effect on others is negligible, such as outdoor public parks.
The decision to smoke, or to avoid “second-hand” smoke, is a question to be answered by each individual based on his own values and his own assessment of the risks. This is the same kind of decision free people make regarding every aspect of their lives: how much to spend or invest, whom to befriend or sleep with, whether to go to college or get a job, whether to get married or divorced, and so on.
All of these decisions involve risks; some have demonstrably harmful consequences; most are controversial and invite disapproval from the neighbours. But the individual must be free to make these decisions. He must be free because his life belongs to him, not to his neighbours, and only his own judgment can guide him through it.
Yet when it comes to smoking, this freedom is under attack. Smokers are a numerical minority, practising a habit considered annoying and unpleasant to the majority. So the majority has simply commandeered the power of government and used it to dictate their behaviour.
That is why these bans are far more threatening than the prospect of inhaling a few stray whiffs of tobacco while waiting for a table at your favourite restaurant. The anti-tobacco crusaders point in exaggerated alarm at those wisps of smoke while they unleash the unlimited intrusion of government into our lives. We do not elect officials to control and manipulate our behaviour.
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Kiri
Yes smoking is banned in the North, the ban came into full
force on the 1st Jan 2010 but some bars and restaurants had
already started applying it before then. I spent New Years
Eve 2008 in a bar owned by a Turkish Cypriot and even a year
before he need to, he had applied the rule. Not one of the 80
plus people there even attempted to smoke indoors. It was
particularly cold night but everyone went outside to smoke.
As a lifelong non smoker I am ambivilent on the subject but I do
know some people who are not and respect their right to clean air.
Kiri
a little postcscript to my previous message.
I dont know if smoking is banned in the occupied territory
cos I dont know where that is – my reply is about the
Turkish Repulic of Northern Cyprus – the North.
If Mr Laprade is actually serious in his essay, and not simply having some fun with devil’s advocacy, one or two obvious points he’s missed are:
1. No civilised government has unlimited power.
2. It’s now been proved beyond any moronically unreasonable doubt that cigarette smoke, either first- or second-hand, either in full smokescreen mode or as wisps dancing in a breeze, is potentially fatal.
3. In general, bans may be an unwanted intrusion, but specifically bans on unwanted boorish, self-indulgent, inconsiderate smokers are most certainly not.
4. Mr Laprade talks about rights, but I ask, should smokers possess rights non-smokers don’t? Whose rights should come first? If I’m sitting in a restaurant enjoying a meal and one of them sits at the table next door and lights up, whose rights are paramount? Does his right to light up where and when he chooses trump my right to a smoke-free meal? Or is it first come, first served?
There can surely be no doubt that to non-smokers cigarette smoke is dirty, smelly and distasteful, and to everyone is injurious (to asthmatics for example) and potentially fatal. There is also, unfortunately, no doubt that a good many smokers are arrogant, inconsiderate boors who will smoke when and where they please, and to hell with what anyone else wants or thinks.
Ban it everywhere except in smokers’ homes, I say. But make their homes off-limits for all who don’t live in them.
I can’t remember which film I heard it in but there was a scene in a restaurant where someone asked, “do you mind if I smoke?” The answer was something like, “no, as long as you don’t mind me farting.”
I am worried now, does passive farting inhalation kill like smoking does?
If so all farting must be banned now, but any type of ban only works in civilised countries, e.g.curry and full kebab free zones.
Polly,
Thanks for the answer.
Regarding your little postscript I would like to inform you that what you call “TRNC” the rest of the world calls “occupied territory of the RoC”.
I hope that this clears the confusion.
If people must fart, personally I believe they should do so in rooms especially designed for this function, e.g. Wind Containers – WC for short.
Kyri, most of the rest of the world doesn’t even know or care what is happening in Cyprus – 99.9% anyway
Ian,
Why aren’t I surprised with your extremist neo-Nazi approach on the issue ?
I want to make a proposal….how about a “scavenger free zone” ?
Malcolm,
The 99.9% of individuals who do not know are represented by their governments who know.
At the end of the day we have already established that there are only 1-2 people who know everything.
Kyri, I guess I count individuals as more important than government entities.
Kiri
I just couldnt resist it – red rag to a bull
and you didnt disappoint. You are such good
value, what would we do without your input.
I know I should be called Minnie the Minx.
We all love you – I’m sure your tongue is
often firmly in your cheek too.
Malcolm,
I guess you count the way it suits you and I am not surprised as this stopped being about the truth but it bacame about scoring points
Polly,
I have to admit that I included the word “occupied” in my original post for exactly the same reason. You can imagine my disappointment when I read your first post and realized that you did not bite the bait. Your second post, though, made me smile …. not only because you eventually bit the bait but especially for proving once more that you are a bit slow ; )
Therefore “Minnie the Minx”, I doubt it, “Minnie the Slow” I agree, unless of course your intention was to point out the similarities in your appearance
Kyri,
Neo Niazis? just because I like to dress up doesen’t make me a bad person, you must have been peeking in my wardrobe. I admit I have marched around a few countries heavily armed in the past but never Cyprus, we never had any bullets, we couldn’t risk upsetting Turkey, they would have kicked our butts and we could never have become the great allies that we are now. Anyway I was only following orders honest.
About these 1 or 2 people who know everthing? When did you meet my wife? I think I know why you get so angry about everthing now.
Ian,
Despite the fact that your message was full of innuendos I managed to decipher what you were really meaning to tell me …I have always known I am clever
If you really see yourself as a Neo Niazi please tell me what that is. Was it a spelling error or did you imply that you enjoy a meal at the new Niazi restaurant in the occupied north?
Now I know what is wrong with you ! Not only do you you fire blanks but you you also like dressing up !
You came to the right place m8
Any way you want it, Greek or Ottoman style Cyprus is the place to find both ! Excellent choice 
Even though I did not have the pleasure to meet your wife I am sure that plenty of TCs with real bullets have
Kiri
So you admit you dont really believe that we are occupied
as for me slow – we cannot all be as quick as you – thank
God some of us do think first.
Polly,
Keep thinking
Kiri
Hope you had a good epiphany
Keep taking the tablets.
You dont have to answer this, but is your name a
short version of Kyriakis or a female name. Just being
nosey like Keyhole Kate
Kiri
Hope you had a nice day yesterday.
I will keep thinking and I think if you are right
I’ll settle for being wrong!!!! Keep taking the tablets.
Polly,
Thanks for thinking about me
Flattered 