in Cyprus Today – 3/2/2010
Striving for Peace under shadow of divide – United front: Helping the peace process, United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon officially opens the second part of work at Lokmaci, the infamous Ledra Street crossing – once the symbol of the total divide of Cyprus – which is currently being restored.
We’re on the road again – Work has stepped up on the Girne bypass as Turkish firm Onur Taahut aims to meet the April deadline for linking the existing section with the Lapta road.
EU check TRNC flag for ‘harm to planet’ – The EU is going to investigate whether the giant TRNC and Turkish flags on the southern slopes of the Five Finger Mountain range are “harmful” to the environment. It follows a written complaint by Greek Cypriot Euro MP Antigoni Papadopoulou. Tanju Muezzinoglu, Chairman of the Flags on the Slopes of the Besparmak Mountains said the Greek Cypriot Government should find something else to worry about. He added the flags will be staying forever.
Eroglu changes his tune over partition – Dervis Eroglu “Now we are not in favour of partition, we are in favour of a permanent solution”.
‘We can achieve solution’ – In a joint statement Talat and Christofias said they believed they could achieve a peace deal. Soon we will be able to announce when our next meeting will be.
Aga Buyers call: ‘We’ll march on parliament’ – The calls for a march came during a meeting of the United Aga Buyers on Saturday. Marian Stokes: ‘ There have been attempts to involve the government in a solution, we are still waiting’.
polly on 
stelios ioannou on 
john good on
Malcolm at what language you write mate;
Cause in English the name of the street is Ledras street not lokmaci (that is turkish)
Ledras street is mentioned inside the journals of British explorers that are dated back in 1900..
Λήδρα – Αμμόχωστος – Κερύνεια – Λαρνακα – Λευκωσία – Πάφος κτλ. κτλ.
Ledra – Famagusta – Kyrenia – Larnaca – Nicosia – Paphos etc. etc.
Lokmaci -Gazimağusa – Girne – Larnaka – Lefkoşa – Baf vs. vs..
CUT AND PASTE – TRY AND RESPOND
Kyriacos:
Yesterday you and Get real and the other GCs cohorts said that you had received no money from the EU and when I gave you the information – the silence was deafening!
Typical GC behaviour i.e. sly, conniving, cheating – and when caught out …just move on!
Here it is again:
The link:
http://www.eib.org/projects/loans/regions/european-union/cy.htm?start=1979&end=2004§or=
Some real figures for you to think about
Cyprus
European Union
Finance contracts signed
Loans Name Sector Signature date Signed Amount
EAC VASILIKOS POWER PLANT PHASE III Energy 07/05/2004 100,000,000
PUBLIC SERVICE IT SYSTEMS – AFI Services 07/05/2004 35,000,000
GREATER NICOSIA SEWERAGE Water, sewerage 07/05/2004 100,000,000
PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION ENHANC Health, Education 10/10/2003 200,000,000
PUBLIC SERVICE IT SYSTEMS – AFI Services 10/10/2003 35,000,000
EAC TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION Energy 11/10/2002 100,000,000
CYPRUS AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES II – AFI Transports 11/10/2002 55,000,000
UNIVERSITY OF CYPRUS Health, Education 11/10/2002 65,000,000
NICOSIA HOSPITAL Health, Education 23/11/2001 50,000,000
NATIONAL ROADS UPGRADING Transports 10/12/1999 100,000,000
Total Amount 1,246,000,000
Did it all by yourselves?
Dream on…like everything else with GC – delusion is always the first step
Followed by slef propagation of your won lies…followed by a media blitz to get over your narrative and all the while the facts on the ground are what? Exactly the opposite!
Wouldn’t be surprised if you fiddled all the title deeds to land and property in the TRNC which you ALLEGE you own – just to fit your narrative!
Bunch of losers, thieves and liars – factually proven!
Enjoy
Kyriacos:
And what’s the point?
Get a life
Enjoy
kyriacos , whats a big deal Ledra or Lokmaci ? Even on United Nations web sites they both are used equally! Both names are accepted equally. Even before 74 both community had accepted both names. The whole of the street from one end to other is referred as Ledra but the specific section and area is refered as Lokmaci. This is how Malcolm is also refering ;
‘United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon officially opens the second part of work at Lokmaci, the infamous Ledra Street crossing – once the symbol of the total divide of Cyprus – which is currently being restored.’.
Go and ask to your grands.
You don’t always have to write something just to say that you had written something or just to put something negative for everything.
what is the big deal?
No big deal, except the distortion of language and history in order to serve pitiful politic obsessions and the expansionist policy of Turkey
No biggie its like saying ”Hitler was from Avusturya he then became Fürer of Almanya and then he invaded İngiltere. what’s the big deal?
And don’t pretend that the distortion of every single greek trace and footprint on the north part is not a political action that tries to imply that North cyprus is now Turkish.
We have Turkish names in the South part as well Louroutzina tziaos hala soultan mosque etc etc
you don’t see us changing names to anything turkish.
How about changing the Word Cypriot as well.. i don’t like it, i want to be called Kyprios..
I also want you to call London… Λονδίνο when you will be referring to it cause 300.000 gc live there too (more than the actual TC live in Cyprus) and thats how we call it. londino. not London. OK?
… English language is the English language it cannot change just because a bunch of Turks invaded Cyprus,. Greece, Germany or England.
As for the goatherd who thinks he has discovered golden goat milk..
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss277/gli_koullis/Picture33-1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mJmwQtPmusk/SvKuSVMlEvI/AAAAAAAAEP8/yItLKz5E4cE/s400/eu+contributions+net+2007.bmp
As we all know all european countries Take and Give money from/to the EU.
Those who give more than what they take are called ”positive contributors”
Those who take more than what they give are called ”negative contributors”
Check the links to see that Cyprus for the year 2007-08 was a positive contributor.
That does not actually mean anything 08-09 probably we will be a negative contributor. That is how it goes.
But i guess if you… mr Moover -goatherd were an actual european or the mr smart pants you claim you are you would have known that right?
The fact that once again you turn out to be a colossal ignorant of huge proportions what does that implies for you?
Kyriacos:
So you have conviced yourself that the ROC is a leading light in the EU?
Like everywhere else on this site you GCs have littered comments as factual by twisting and turning in the wind.
25 billion is what your friend Get Real said – I simply said that is unrealistic if not mad! Go back and read it – understand the argument then comment.
Of course you can do it the GC way – connive, double deal, be economical with the truth and when you have still lost the argument like your dear friend YAWNNNIIISSS – call people names!
The fact remains as I have stated above to your friend – read the 10 points and tell me which you disagree with and why?
I will not be holding my breadth for your reply as when you have to deal with something directly you simply cannot!
What I think of the ROC is much in line with what many others think…
“… realising they will never be a world power, the GCs have decided to settle for being a world nuisance…”
Care to disagree with me?
If the ROC wanted peace, security and reconciliation they could have got that years ago.
The truth is the GC want an island free of TCs. A reality whgich simply will NEVER happen.
Get over it!
Enjoy
PLEASE READ, DIGEST BEFORE YOU RANT OFF A REPLY
Kyriacos:
So you have conviced yourself that the ROC is a leading light in the EU?
Like everywhere else on this site you GCs have littered comments as factual by twisting and turning in the wind.
25 billion is what your friend Get Real said – I simply said that is unrealistic if not mad! Go back and read it – understand the argument then comment.
Of course you can do it the GC way – connive, double deal, be economical with the truth and when you have still lost the argument like your dear friend YAWNNNIIISSS – call people names!
The fact remains as I have stated above to your friend – read the 10 points and tell me which you disagree with and why?
I will not be holding my breadth for your reply as when you have to deal with something directly you simply cannot!
What I think of the ROC is much in line with what many others think…
“… realising they will never be a world power, the GCs have decided to settle for being a world nuisance…”
Care to disagree with me?
If the ROC wanted peace, security and reconciliation they could have got that years ago.
The truth is the GC want an island free of TCs. A reality whgich simply will NEVER happen.
Get over it!
Enjoy
Mal:
Your new system for posting is a bit slow and also not taking the posts as before!
Any reason?
Thanks,
Enjoy
Read before replying
Kyriacos:
So you have conviced yourself that the ROC is a leading light in the EU?
Like everywhere else on this site you GCs have littered comments as factual by twisting and turning in the wind.
25 billion is what your friend Get Real said – I simply said that is unrealistic if not mad! Go back and read it – understand the argument then comment.
Of course you can do it the GC way – connive, double deal, be economical with the truth and when you have still lost the argument like your dear friend YAWNNNIIISSS – call people names!
The fact remains as I have stated above to your friend – read the 10 points and tell me which you disagree with and why?
I will not be holding my breadth for your reply as when you have to deal with something directly you simply cannot!
What I think of the ROC is much in line with what many others think…
“… realising they will never be a world power, the GCs have decided to settle for being a world nuisance…”
Care to disagree with me?
If the ROC wanted peace, security and reconciliation they could have got that years ago.
The truth is the GC want an island free of TCs. A reality whgich simply will NEVER happen.
Get over it!
Enjoy
kyriacos, Lokmaci have always been lokmaci. Thats why I told you to ask to your grandfather or father.
But you are so focused to look at to single point you just refuse even the accepted facts.
lokmaci has always been the turkish name for that street not the english name..
its like us changing tha name of turkish village in the north and call alambra agios eleptherios.
@ moover
(you probably have read this comment on the other post but since others may havent i post it here as well)
No we do not think we are a superpower neither the leading light in the EU.
We know how politically insignificant we are mate.
I also stated at the past that we joined the EU exactly for that reason.
We did not joined Eu for economic gain (although the more economic gain the better right?)
We joined the EU in order to help and promote the resolution of the cyprus problem.
We joined the Eu to make our local-problem that tortured us for 35 years. An international problem.
That is in-fact the Main reason we joined the EU in contrast with other countries like Romania- Bulgaria or Turkey that Joined- or want to join- the EU mainly for economic benefits.
Kyriacos:
Your earlier point here or on another thread stating: “A world without borders and where everyone lived in peace” is where you and some of your friends in cluding TCs come from.
I have paraphrased as I did reply to it – but seems to have been swallowed by the system.
What I said was:
1. I agree whole-heartedly with your sentiments and as an idealist I would support and work toward such.
2. But we also have to be realistic. There has been much bad blood between GC and TC over the years and not just from 1974. The upshot is that without ‘outside’ peace keepers these century old issues will always resurface and believe me there are enough nutters on both sides to make sure that happens.
3. I have lived in the ROC and have many friends and acquaintances there. My impression has always been that the hatred for TCs was almost universal. Many of the GCs I speak to open admit they would prefer an island free of TCs.
4. I believe outside of the ‘idealism’ the best chance for a lasting peace is a ‘two-state’ solution. Yes, there will be ‘losers’ on all sides – but that is politics. It has to be for the greater good.
5. To believe that most TCs want a unified island after the debacle of 2004 would be stretching the point. Many TCs I have spoken to are admament and defiant – that the only solution is a two state solution with some federal responsibilities being shared.
I am a realist. I know that to build bridges it should NOT be the strongest takes all but neither should it be that one that has connived to ‘destroy’ the other party through ‘indefinite’ and ‘oppressive’ sanctions. Two wrongs do not make a right!
The best solution for the island is a velvet divorce. The current talks will fail because there is no TRUST between TCs and GCs and this will continue to be the case as long as politicians especially on the GC side continue to demonise the TCs.
If what you say is what you beleive about the idealism then you are the ‘exception’ on the GC side. There maybe other GCs who probably feel the same way – but to be honest I have NOT yet met one!
Certainly if you read the postings here from GC I have yet to see any with the exception of yours that actually deal with the issues they either are rude, full of inaccuracises and based on self-interest rather than on peace, security and reonciliation. When they cannot make headway with their rudeness they resort to vulgarities and name calling! When they are given some of their own medicine they then either shyly retire ‘oh dear’ or simply keep repeating the same old garbage.
I would suggest that the GC press and media coupled with the political parties who use this issue as a popularity contest on who can be the most vile about the TRNC and the TCs that it should not be surprising that so many GCs have these rather one-sided perspective.
Still, it is a breadth of fresh air to have ‘met’ one GC who can actually engage his brain before his fingers. That is not to say I would agree with all you have said, just simply that dialogue is better than hate!
Enjoy
POSTED ELSEWHERE – but hope youn will see it
Kyriacos:
Your earlier point here or on another thread stating: “A world without borders and where everyone lived in peace” is where you and some of your friends in cluding TCs come from.
I have paraphrased as I did reply to it – but seems to have been swallowed by the system.
What I said was:
1. I agree whole-heartedly with your sentiments and as an idealist I would support and work toward such.
2. But we also have to be realistic. There has been much bad blood between GC and TC over the years and not just from 1974. The upshot is that without ‘outside’ peace keepers these century old issues will always resurface and believe me there are enough nutters on both sides to make sure that happens.
3. I have lived in the ROC and have many friends and acquaintances there. My impression has always been that the hatred for TCs was almost universal. Many of the GCs I speak to open admit they would prefer an island free of TCs.
4. I believe outside of the ‘idealism’ the best chance for a lasting peace is a ‘two-state’ solution. Yes, there will be ‘losers’ on all sides – but that is politics. It has to be for the greater good.
5. To believe that most TCs want a unified island after the debacle of 2004 would be stretching the point. Many TCs I have spoken to are admament and defiant – that the only solution is a two state solution with some federal responsibilities being shared.
I am a realist. I know that to build bridges it should NOT be the strongest takes all but neither should it be that one that has connived to ‘destroy’ the other party through ‘indefinite’ and ‘oppressive’ sanctions. Two wrongs do not make a right!
The best solution for the island is a velvet divorce. The current talks will fail because there is no TRUST between TCs and GCs and this will continue to be the case as long as politicians especially on the GC side continue to demonise the TCs.
If what you say is what you beleive about the idealism then you are the ‘exception’ on the GC side. There maybe other GCs who probably feel the same way – but to be honest I have NOT yet met one!
Certainly if you read the postings here from GC I have yet to see any with the exception of yours that actually deal with the issues they either are rude, full of inaccuracises and based on self-interest rather than on peace, security and reonciliation. When they cannot make headway with their rudeness they resort to vulgarities and name calling! When they are given some of their own medicine they then either shyly retire ‘oh dear’ or simply keep repeating the same old garbage.
I would suggest that the GC press and media coupled with the political parties who use this issue as a popularity contest on who can be the most vile about the TRNC and the TCs that it should not be surprising that so many GCs have these rather one-sided perspective.
Still, it is a breadth of fresh air to have ‘met’ one GC who can actually engage his brain before his fingers. That is not to say I would agree with all you have said, just simply that dialogue is better than hate!
Enjoy