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Malcolm Channing on in Cyprus Today – 3/2/2010
Striving for Peace under shadow of divide – United front: Helping the peace process, United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon officially opens the second part of work at Lokmaci, the infamous Ledra Street crossing – once the symbol of the total divide of Cyprus – which is currently being restored.
We’re on the road again – Work has stepped up on the Girne bypass as Turkish firm Onur Taahut aims to meet the April deadline for linking the existing section with the Lapta road.
EU check TRNC flag for ‘harm to planet’ – The EU is going to investigate whether the giant TRNC and Turkish flags on the southern slopes of the Five Finger Mountain range are “harmful” to the environment. It follows a written complaint by Greek Cypriot Euro MP Antigoni Papadopoulou. Tanju Muezzinoglu, Chairman of the Flags on the Slopes of the Besparmak Mountains said the Greek Cypriot Government should find something else to worry about. He added the flags will be staying forever.
Eroglu changes his tune over partition – Dervis Eroglu “Now we are not in favour of partition, we are in favour of a permanent solution”.
‘We can achieve solution’ – In a joint statement Talat and Christofias said they believed they could achieve a peace deal. Soon we will be able to announce when our next meeting will be.
Aga Buyers call: ‘We’ll march on parliament’ – The calls for a march came during a meeting of the United Aga Buyers on Saturday. Marian Stokes: ‘ There have been attempts to involve the government in a solution, we are still waiting’.
Malcolm at what language you write mate;
Cause in English the name of the street is Ledras street not lokmaci (that is turkish)
Ledras street is mentioned inside the journals of British explorers that are dated back in 1900..
Λήδρα – Αμμόχωστος – Κερύνεια – Λαρνακα – Λευκωσία – Πάφος κτλ. κτλ.
Ledra – Famagusta – Kyrenia – Larnaca – Nicosia – Paphos etc. etc.
Lokmaci -Gazimağusa – Girne – Larnaka – Lefkoşa – Baf vs. vs..
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Kyriacos:
And what’s the point?
Get a life
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kyriacos , whats a big deal Ledra or Lokmaci ? Even on United Nations web sites they both are used equally! Both names are accepted equally. Even before 74 both community had accepted both names. The whole of the street from one end to other is referred as Ledra but the specific section and area is refered as Lokmaci. This is how Malcolm is also refering ;
‘United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon officially opens the second part of work at Lokmaci, the infamous Ledra Street crossing – once the symbol of the total divide of Cyprus – which is currently being restored.’.
Go and ask to your grands.
You don’t always have to write something just to say that you had written something or just to put something negative for everything.
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Kyriacos:
So you have conviced yourself that the ROC is a leading light in the EU?
Like everywhere else on this site you GCs have littered comments as factual by twisting and turning in the wind.
25 billion is what your friend Get Real said – I simply said that is unrealistic if not mad! Go back and read it – understand the argument then comment.
Of course you can do it the GC way – connive, double deal, be economical with the truth and when you have still lost the argument like your dear friend YAWNNNIIISSS – call people names!
The fact remains as I have stated above to your friend – read the 10 points and tell me which you disagree with and why?
I will not be holding my breadth for your reply as when you have to deal with something directly you simply cannot!
What I think of the ROC is much in line with what many others think…
“… realising they will never be a world power, the GCs have decided to settle for being a world nuisance…”
Care to disagree with me?
If the ROC wanted peace, security and reconciliation they could have got that years ago.
The truth is the GC want an island free of TCs. A reality whgich simply will NEVER happen.
Get over it!
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Kyriacos:
So you have conviced yourself that the ROC is a leading light in the EU?
Like everywhere else on this site you GCs have littered comments as factual by twisting and turning in the wind.
25 billion is what your friend Get Real said – I simply said that is unrealistic if not mad! Go back and read it – understand the argument then comment.
Of course you can do it the GC way – connive, double deal, be economical with the truth and when you have still lost the argument like your dear friend YAWNNNIIISSS – call people names!
The fact remains as I have stated above to your friend – read the 10 points and tell me which you disagree with and why?
I will not be holding my breadth for your reply as when you have to deal with something directly you simply cannot!
What I think of the ROC is much in line with what many others think…
“… realising they will never be a world power, the GCs have decided to settle for being a world nuisance…”
Care to disagree with me?
If the ROC wanted peace, security and reconciliation they could have got that years ago.
The truth is the GC want an island free of TCs. A reality whgich simply will NEVER happen.
Get over it!
Enjoy
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Mal:
Your new system for posting is a bit slow and also not taking the posts as before!
Any reason?
Thanks,
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Read before replying:)
Kyriacos:
So you have conviced yourself that the ROC is a leading light in the EU?
Like everywhere else on this site you GCs have littered comments as factual by twisting and turning in the wind.
25 billion is what your friend Get Real said – I simply said that is unrealistic if not mad! Go back and read it – understand the argument then comment.
Of course you can do it the GC way – connive, double deal, be economical with the truth and when you have still lost the argument like your dear friend YAWNNNIIISSS – call people names!
The fact remains as I have stated above to your friend – read the 10 points and tell me which you disagree with and why?
I will not be holding my breadth for your reply as when you have to deal with something directly you simply cannot!
What I think of the ROC is much in line with what many others think…
“… realising they will never be a world power, the GCs have decided to settle for being a world nuisance…”
Care to disagree with me?
If the ROC wanted peace, security and reconciliation they could have got that years ago.
The truth is the GC want an island free of TCs. A reality whgich simply will NEVER happen.
Get over it!
Enjoy
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kyriacos, Lokmaci have always been lokmaci. Thats why I told you to ask to your grandfather or father.
But you are so focused to look at to single point you just refuse even the accepted facts.
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Kyriacos:
Your earlier point here or on another thread stating: “A world without borders and where everyone lived in peace” is where you and some of your friends in cluding TCs come from.
I have paraphrased as I did reply to it – but seems to have been swallowed by the system.
What I said was:
1. I agree whole-heartedly with your sentiments and as an idealist I would support and work toward such.
2. But we also have to be realistic. There has been much bad blood between GC and TC over the years and not just from 1974. The upshot is that without ‘outside’ peace keepers these century old issues will always resurface and believe me there are enough nutters on both sides to make sure that happens.
3. I have lived in the ROC and have many friends and acquaintances there. My impression has always been that the hatred for TCs was almost universal. Many of the GCs I speak to open admit they would prefer an island free of TCs.
4. I believe outside of the ‘idealism’ the best chance for a lasting peace is a ‘two-state’ solution. Yes, there will be ‘losers’ on all sides – but that is politics. It has to be for the greater good.
5. To believe that most TCs want a unified island after the debacle of 2004 would be stretching the point. Many TCs I have spoken to are admament and defiant – that the only solution is a two state solution with some federal responsibilities being shared.
I am a realist. I know that to build bridges it should NOT be the strongest takes all but neither should it be that one that has connived to ‘destroy’ the other party through ‘indefinite’ and ‘oppressive’ sanctions. Two wrongs do not make a right!
The best solution for the island is a velvet divorce. The current talks will fail because there is no TRUST between TCs and GCs and this will continue to be the case as long as politicians especially on the GC side continue to demonise the TCs.
If what you say is what you beleive about the idealism then you are the ‘exception’ on the GC side. There maybe other GCs who probably feel the same way – but to be honest I have NOT yet met one!
Certainly if you read the postings here from GC I have yet to see any with the exception of yours that actually deal with the issues they either are rude, full of inaccuracises and based on self-interest rather than on peace, security and reonciliation. When they cannot make headway with their rudeness they resort to vulgarities and name calling! When they are given some of their own medicine they then either shyly retire ‘oh dear’ or simply keep repeating the same old garbage.
I would suggest that the GC press and media coupled with the political parties who use this issue as a popularity contest on who can be the most vile about the TRNC and the TCs that it should not be surprising that so many GCs have these rather one-sided perspective.
Still, it is a breadth of fresh air to have ‘met’ one GC who can actually engage his brain before his fingers. That is not to say I would agree with all you have said, just simply that dialogue is better than hate!
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Kyriacos:
Your earlier point here or on another thread stating: “A world without borders and where everyone lived in peace” is where you and some of your friends in cluding TCs come from.
I have paraphrased as I did reply to it – but seems to have been swallowed by the system.
What I said was:
1. I agree whole-heartedly with your sentiments and as an idealist I would support and work toward such.
2. But we also have to be realistic. There has been much bad blood between GC and TC over the years and not just from 1974. The upshot is that without ‘outside’ peace keepers these century old issues will always resurface and believe me there are enough nutters on both sides to make sure that happens.
3. I have lived in the ROC and have many friends and acquaintances there. My impression has always been that the hatred for TCs was almost universal. Many of the GCs I speak to open admit they would prefer an island free of TCs.
4. I believe outside of the ‘idealism’ the best chance for a lasting peace is a ‘two-state’ solution. Yes, there will be ‘losers’ on all sides – but that is politics. It has to be for the greater good.
5. To believe that most TCs want a unified island after the debacle of 2004 would be stretching the point. Many TCs I have spoken to are admament and defiant – that the only solution is a two state solution with some federal responsibilities being shared.
I am a realist. I know that to build bridges it should NOT be the strongest takes all but neither should it be that one that has connived to ‘destroy’ the other party through ‘indefinite’ and ‘oppressive’ sanctions. Two wrongs do not make a right!
The best solution for the island is a velvet divorce. The current talks will fail because there is no TRUST between TCs and GCs and this will continue to be the case as long as politicians especially on the GC side continue to demonise the TCs.
If what you say is what you beleive about the idealism then you are the ‘exception’ on the GC side. There maybe other GCs who probably feel the same way – but to be honest I have NOT yet met one!
Certainly if you read the postings here from GC I have yet to see any with the exception of yours that actually deal with the issues they either are rude, full of inaccuracises and based on self-interest rather than on peace, security and reonciliation. When they cannot make headway with their rudeness they resort to vulgarities and name calling! When they are given some of their own medicine they then either shyly retire ‘oh dear’ or simply keep repeating the same old garbage.
I would suggest that the GC press and media coupled with the political parties who use this issue as a popularity contest on who can be the most vile about the TRNC and the TCs that it should not be surprising that so many GCs have these rather one-sided perspective.
Still, it is a breadth of fresh air to have ‘met’ one GC who can actually engage his brain before his fingers. That is not to say I would agree with all you have said, just simply that dialogue is better than hate!
Enjoy
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