Don’t Panic!!!
The following is a quote from the BBC Website referring to the financial fiasco in Greece. I wonder if lying is genetically transferable?
“This was the problem before. Everybody here in Brussels knew Greece was not being very honest with its economic figures but nobody did anything about it.”
OK, so let’s move on to President Talat’s wonderful quote: “don’t panic!” I fail to see any acknowledgements to the late great Douglas Adams but I fear however that the words are about as useful as those on the cover of the Hitch Hikers’ Guide to the Galaxy. They didn’t stop the world being destroyed by Vorgonian Builders for a Hyperspace Bypass.
I think a little inward looking would convince the erstwhile President that the real threat to the economy is not some irate GC with lots of financial backing, but is instead his own countrymen who allow honest people to be dispossessed of property bought: a) in good faith, b) whilst abiding by all the rules laid down by the government and c) sticking to the letter of the contract. Then, in spite of this, finding that it is perfectly legal for the seller to mortgage the property after the sale has been registered and then when the builder refuses to pay sells the property lock stock and barrel from under the hapless purchaser’s feet.
Don’t Panic? The Cyprus Problem thingy doesn’t worry me but the method of property purchase in the TRNC does. Simply for two reasons. One the complete and utter lack of safeguards for the buyer and two the collapse of all and any government office set up to deal with the issues, for example the long dead PCO/PIO. In the light of the failure of the PCO whilst under the Deputy Prime minister’s auspices I wonder now if the Immovable Property Commission is not only the place for GCs to get their property back but perhaps we should send to it all the scandalous abuses of the property sales issue in North Cyprus.
Trying to analyse the situation. I come to the personal opinion that the “island mentality” has been tainted by many hundreds of years of occupation by forces from outside the Island, be it Phoenicians, Venetians, Brits, French, Turks, Greeks, Egyptians or whoever. The national sport has become “rip off and deceive” only now it has become so ingrained they don’t know they are doing anymore. Mass therapy in ethics and honesty? Maybe the EU will fund that? I think I’ll apply for a grant.
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The Greeks didn’t lie it was all the fault of the statisticians
http://www.financialmirror.com/News/Cyprus_and_World_News/19260
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Or was it, being economical with the economics?
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I have no idea what MALCOLM thinks on the Iraq issue and neither
do you.
You only have to look at news footage of the time and see that
a lot of Brits were against it – me included. Red herrings
wont distract us. I was in the South on 9/11 and the days
following, I watched GCs cheer at the news footage when innocent
people were jumping from the towers to their death, I heard the
GCs CHEERING this spectacle, laughing and saying Bin Laden was
offering $5000 a week to join him and they were thinking of doing so. I stood up and sang American Pie and shouted Long Live the Queen at the Karaoke in this bar. When I finished there wasnt one
GC left in the bar.
Lving amongst people like that was not for me. Now why would
anyone think you were reasonable people?
Totally away from the debate, but remember Barren Kyri, you know
the one ruled by his genitals, brought it to the forum not me.
I say this with distaste.
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Well that seems to have opened up a can of xenophibia worms if ever anything did. I still plead the case, the the tidal wave for TRNC owners is the mortgage issue. On this site 6 out of 9 were not aware that the builder (Armacon Construction) had taken out mortgages on the properties, even though the contracts were duly registered with the tax office and land office forbade such behaviour. How many mre are there like this, where the bank is going to reposses because the firms, like Armacon cannot or will not pay back what they borrowed? It would be interesting for some feedback, from people who are still awaiting Kocans, to find out (another search on the property) just how massive this problem is. Will the Govt., as Kiri suggests compulsorily purchase these houses then too? Just to quell any fears in the market? Or will this be another issue that will be ignored by the Politicians who are still determined to put the blame on the situation with anyone , GC; Greek, American, Brit or even the UN just to deflect their incompetent performance to date.
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ROBIN
I am sure you have read of my fiasco with the High Court Appeal.
The article attracted more hits than the petition obtained
signatures.
Clearly I was misled, lied to and generally conned into keeping
the case out of the High Court. I eventually withdrew the case
UNDER DURESS, having been told if I didn’t it would be thrown out anyway (read the article Pauline Read’s court case against Akfinans Bank) Malcolm has kindly put links to the other related
articles.
Frankly, they cannot afford to open this can of worms. If they
did the right thing, think what would happen to the balance sheets
of the Banks concerned. It would reveal the true instability
of these financial paragons. In any event, if things continue
this way, their debts, which appear on their asset side of their balance sheet will become “write offs” and you do not have to be
a genius to foresee the effect of that.
Why does this government not act on what is an immediate problem.
The first stage of repossession on this development has started.
The Land Registry had already posted the first notices in this
process 7 days before my case was due to be heard. No, they
didnt tell the people most affected. The notices appeared on the
coffee shop door in Karsiyaka Square and the Koop in the village.
It was a sheer accident that we found these notices.
Apparently when the Finance Minister said ‘NO HOMES WILL BE AUCTIONED’ he was only referring to the site that successfully
stopped an auction by using people power and physically being there
to stop it. He was not referring to everyone – I was given this
information by Marion Stokes of HBPG.
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Mastakounas Evaggelos wrote:the state is illegal. the land is illegal. the banks are illegal. the “government” is illegal. and you are accusing other people of breaking the law?
ME, to reverse that logic would you accept that you should not accuse the TRNC of breaking the law because Greece has and, according to BK, the UK and US have?
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look malcolm,
The “minister” is first cousins with the land developer owner. The land developers’ sister is the director of the bank, who in turn is the the judges best maid.
Not too long ago, About 20 years ago (these people were farmers and cleaning ladies then), they decided to put together a set of laws (or ommit to) and gave themselves big titles (presidents, ministers judges etc). But they couldnt make any money (or convince anyone they were for real) So they posted a few ads in the daily mail invitng other people to come and join them. They would give them land for free (they got it for free themselves) if they would only stay, pay taxes and call them sir. Pauline saw the ad, she thought “what a great idea, here is something I can actually afford”. So she packed her bag and moved there.
Now she is upset because these people cannot get their act together and make the fairytail happen. They were just peasants afterall….
So Pauline insists on trying to find a way through the system to get justice. But since the “government” are all related and dont give a shit about what Pauline thinks, this is an impossibility.
THey will continue making money on her back, this is why she was lured here to begin with.
What you call the “trnc” may seem like something that is real to you but for someone who has lived here for the last 40 years, I promise you, it’s a sham. In fact, It’s a mockery of a sham
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Now we’re getting there. Calling a spade a spade. Many a true word here. Unless there is change…. the future …?
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Does anyone know if the decision for this has come out?
I looked for it but couldnt find it.
For all those out there who have an interest, this is probably last chances for some people.
http://www.echr.coe.int/ECHR/EN/Header/Press/Multimedia/Webcasts+of+public+hearings/webcastEN_media?&p_url=20091118-1/en/
those of you who have the stomach for this, pls watch
Hot debate. What do you think?
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YAWNNIS
I will answer you one last time, as for the other person well
every other poster must have realised his problems and I do not
want to add to them.
I was there, clearly you were not – until that night I was ambivalent towards any
GC but as an Anglo American to see your fellow GCs cheering people
jumping from a building sickened me and then to hear they were
prepared to join BIN LADEN (for a price).
You can call me a liar, just as you call the attempted extermination of all TC’s a lie. I do not condone murder no matter
who carries it out and no matter what excuses they use to justify it.
Anything you cannot accept must be a lie – so be it if it helps you sleep at night.
BY the way I hate Eastenders, cant get Coronation St or Emmerdale
up here and have never knitted in my life (enjoyed kidding you about it though).
I say this with love
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Masta
Most of your post is rubbish but I do agree with the nepotism..
strange though because it reminds me of your side of the
island in that respect. Seems you did learn something from each
other when you did manage to co exist, pity really that you
didnt build on that and then maybe you would still be one
country.
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polly, my lime-yankee friend
There is alot you dont understand. And why would you? You’re new here.
Did you really think that the paradise called cyprus would only come with good things?
Fight as you might, the issues you are facing are issues that torment us all, not least, the people who have lost everything in the process.
I assure you if you keep rubbing people the wrong way in the monkey state in the north you will find thay they have much more convincing means than just…pressure.
The people in the “government” have really got a criminal side to them, even though this is not typical of your avg tc. They are routhless in achieving their goals. This isnt a joke.
I truly wish you find a solution to your problem. As long as you dont take what is mine.
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Masta
I have no property in the KKTC in my name so there is no danger
of my taking anything your consider yours.
I await with interest the outcome of the breaking news about
the Orams land not actually belonging to the Petitioner either.
If this proves to be true (I doubt it will) the Advocate
acting for the Orams did a p**s poor job.
I guess its a case of wait for developments.
I say this with love
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Stealios Didnt you mother teach you to speak only when
you are spoken too. You naughty boy
I say this with love
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Hi Steliarse
We have got most of the good bits and we are keeping it, end of.
Happy to rent you a villa or two though if you like the area.
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BOO HOO Stealios, go home and have a good cry. Poor baby.
That should get you foaming at the mouth – nothing new there then.
I say that with love
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We tend to forget the almost 3rd Reich behaviour in the 60’s when properties were sold to he greek cypriots under duress. (We know where your kids go to school was chicken feed). I don’t like to draw comparisons with a mainc dictor and the behaviour of his “people”. But how many jews sold their property for peppercorns in the 1930’s in Germany. How many Turkish cypriots were put in a similar positon. I bet a detailed look at the tax office records would show a aweful lot of trasactons at bargain basement prices. So why don’t we forget the xenopobic rhetoric, the revanchist fantasies and accept that we have a satus quo. Let’s do the grown up thing and try to progress from there. No one can win in a situation that has caused misery to so many for so long. No one can turn the clock back and say it will all be undone if only we can blame the other party. But we can agree to differ and stll be friends.
Get some sense people.
I don’t think that many of the GCs commenting on here are here to listen.
A group of Brits trespassing on GC property bought from a TC, who had been allocated the property because they forfeited the right to their land in the south, want to sort the property problem out. They will voluntarily vacate the GC property and want to make their homes on this TC’s land in the south. If this proves workable then more will follow. Watch the comments from the GCs, see how they treat an attempt to sort out the problem. I believe they’re only happy writing abuse.
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I have to agree with Malcom. It is inceasingly apparent that, irrespective of which board wou go on to, the comments are all, virtually without exception, very vitiolic and negative. The island is permeated by thieves and thugs, both sides of the border. In the seventies and eighties in the south, it was all backhanders and who you knew. My Greek cypriot freind’s uncle was head of customs at Larnaca. Because we travelled with his niece we were picked up by limo at the plane, taken out to the most expensive restaurants in company with “businesmen” and were told by the said uncle, “my customers always pay the bills”. Since when do Custom have customers? The EU changed all that overnight? You bet! Come on let’s get costructive. Stop calling the kettle black.
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BK, there is a level of abuse I don’t like personally and I personally decide what abuse I will remove. You don’t seem to be complaining about me removing any comment that might actually be relevant to the article and that’s because I defend your right to say things I don’t agree with but not with things that personally offend me. To use the getting thrown out of a decent pub analogy, if you were to talk about your genitals in a decent pub where I come from then people would look at you and to the publican to ask you to control your language. Perhaps that’s not true of the PUBLIC places you frequent. We call it common decency.
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Mastakounas Evaggelos
….”The “minister” is first cousins with the land developer owner. The land developers’ sister is the director of the bank, who in turn is the the judges best maid.”….
Mastakounas, Thanks for telling it like it is. The sad thing is that good people like Pauline are getting caught up in this.
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Mr Kyri
If my use of the word g******s offends which incidentally is
a much nicer way of describing sexual organs than the common
way it is normally done – I apologise. I would point out though
that it your constant boasting of your prowess with this particular
part of your anatomy that brought your g******s onto the forum
and the general disrespectful way you refer to the female gender.
I know the spitting you referred to was not from your mouth!!!!
So come on, apologising is a two way street????
I find it offensive being called PECK, just as you mean me to.
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this place is going down-hill….
first there was a couple of discussions and some abuse
then just abuse.
now just discussion about abuse…
blah
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A little ribbing and/or teasing is one thing, but to allow each article to veer away from the thread and become a general slanging match makes for very boring reading. I’m also sure it stops others who might want to contribute because of the level of flak.
Now, where were we?
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Clearly that olive branch worked.
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To all posters.
I have tried with our resident clown…
Mr. Kyri, please dont address me further on this forum.
Life is too short
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Yiannis
When are you going to move on.
I get you dont dislike me personally, you dislike what you
perceive as my ‘crimes’ against but can you please tell
me how your baiting people and jibes adds to a potential
solution to all the problems??? I would really like to know.
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Yiannis – You must be really proud that a country with such a corrupt government as the British Government should have the
Judicial System that came up with the verdict against the Orams
that you soooo approve of – but what does that say to the rest of us. YOUR POST 3942
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