Israel blocks Haifa to Famagusta ferry advertising

Monday, February 8, 2010

By Dominic Freeman

The Green Solution Company runs a ferry service from Haifa to Famagusta in northern Cyprus three times a week, and offers hotel accommodations in Famagusta and Kyrenia. It is accused Artara, a company that specializes in industrial fairs to promote economic activities in various sectors, of interfering with its business at the fair on Tuesday and Wednesday at the Tel Aviv Fairgrounds.

The Green Solution Company signed up for a 20-square meter booth at the fair. On the same day, an Artara employee informed the Green Solution Company that:

“in view of the sensitivity of the Cyprus issue in the fair, and in accordance with special directives which we received from the Foreign Ministry,” it would not be allowed to mention the fact that the services provided were for ‘northern Cyprus’” or to provide the names of hotels.”

It also demanded to see the advertisements that would be displayed two days before the opening of the fair.

The Green Solution Company alleged that the restrictions were unfair and there was no law that prevented Israelis from visiting the Turkish-controlled part of Cyprus. Its complaint is that :

“Advertisement of ‘a ferry from Israel to Cyprus’ is fragmentary, laconic, unfocused, ineffective and lacking anything unique,” attorney Ro’i Dvir wrote on behalf of the Green Solution Company. “Anyone who reads such an ad has no idea what part of Cyprus and what cities are involved.”

A Foreign Ministry spokesman told The Jerusalem Post that Israel maintained a consistent policy toward northern Cyprus, which was occupied by Turkey in 1974, in accordance with the United Nations and the international community. Israel did not recognize northern Cyprus as a separate entity, but did not prevent the private sector from maintaining commercial and tourism ties with the inhabitants of that area.

The spokesman added that this longstanding policy had nothing to do with relations between Israel and Turkey.

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Thomas

08/02/2010 at 5:24 pm

Hi Malcolm,

This would be a good time to talk about the economic situation of the north as a whole. It would be nice to see a series of articles on this. IMO, until the North can be economically viable they can never sit at the table and discuss with the South a settlement. It is not the other way around; a settlement and then we will be economically viable.

And from that perspective we are as far from a settlement as we have ever been. So often the complaint in the North is that we are isolated, such as this article above speaks to. But in my opinion, it has been the North that isolates themselves. And the penalty is paid by their own people.

Take the example of an honest businessman who wants to import a pair of Nike Shoes to sell. Since Nike’s are by in large made in China there is a duty on them and that is 100%. Take an example, a pair of shoes that cost $25 from the factory and $5 for shipping have a duty of $30. So the businessman gets these shoes for $60. What does he have to try and sell them for? That is why you see $100 to $120 Nikes in the store. But in other places in the world they cost $50 to $60 retail. Who pays this duty, well the locals who cannot get off the Island. Talk about sticking it to the working class. But they do not really have the money to pay that kind of price for a pair of Nike’s. “Well-to-do” TC’s buy on holiday outside the country and Brits wait until they get back to the UK. And it is the same for everything. How much of the true buying power of the North is exerted outside of the country? A Lot!

In the end who pays? Well it is not quite as simple as that. See without viable businessmen who can sell goods there is no commerce to be had and no taxes to be paid so that throws the costs back on land and property. Right now poor infrastructure is the norm. With the present economic structure annual property taxes should be 4000 to 5000 pounds per house. And the government should be charging 10,000+ pounds for infrastructure for each house built to put in proper roads and water, etc. However, with a viable business climate these numbers would be lower.

If a businessman wanted to set up in the North, and if he wanted to go through the arcane rules to get approval to open anything, and if he was willing to take the risks associated with an isolated international entity, he still has to face a government that makes it economically impossible to operate.

If you want to bring the EU and the ROC to the table on your terms, declare the North a free trade zone and see what happens. People would be begging to join you and not the other way around. And you would not see articles like the above one.

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#3964
Baron Kyri

08/02/2010 at 10:08 pm

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Dear friends,

Be proud about yourselves and the monstrosity you so passionately support and deserve.

Happy reading.

Baron Kyri

PS. Please save us from any hypocritical responses. Actions speak louder than words and your actions have already showed what you think about freedom, human rights and so on.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/31/turkey-terror-jail-human-rights

A 15-year-old girl who was arrested at a demonstration in support of a banned Kurdish group has been jailed in Turkey for nearly eight years after being convicted of “terrorist” offences, including allegedly throwing stones at police.

The case comes amid renewed scrutiny of Turkey’s human rights record after it was named as the worst violator of the 47 signatory states to the European convention of human rights.

The girl, a Turkish Kurd who has been named only as Berivan, was detained in the south-eastern city of Batman last October at a rally for the banned Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which is regarded by Turkey, the US and EU as a terrorist group.

A court in Diyarbakir found her guilty of “crimes on behalf of an illegal organisation” after prosecutors alleged she had hurled stones and shouted slogans. She was also convicted of attending “meetings and demonstrations in opposition to the law” and “spreading propaganda for an illegal organisation” despite claiming in court that she did not know what the word propaganda means.

In her defence, the girl denied throwing stones or being part of the demonstration but said she had only stopped to watch it out of curiosity, while on her way to visit an aunt. She was arrested after police mistook her for a demonstrator, she said. She had confessed to the crimes only after being beaten in custody.

In an emotional letter published by the Turkish newspaper, Star, the girl said she had been visiting Batman on a family holiday and pleaded to be released. “I want to get out of here. I want to be with my family. I always cry here. I cannot get used to this,” she wrote. “I have been in jail since 9 October. My heart hurts and I miss my family so much.”

As she heard her daughter being sentenced, Berivan’s mother exclaimed in court: “Did she murder? The murderers are not sentenced to such a long prison term.”

The initial 13-and-a-half-year sentence was later reduced on appeal to seven years and nine months because of her age.

The conviction highlights Turkey’s practice of jailing children for terror-related offences under counter-terrorism legislation introduced in 2006. The law allows courts to try juveniles as adults and to jail them for up to 50 years. Recent official figures revealed that there are currently 2,622 minors in Turkish prisons.

Some 737 minors have been charged under the counter-terrorism legislation since its introduction, according to the Diyarbakir Human Rights Association. Out of 267 tried in the city last year, 78 were given extended jail terms. Last November, a prosecutor demanded sentences of 23 years each for six youths, aged 13 and 14, who were charged with throwing stones and Molotov cocktails.

Campaigners say many of those jailed have been wrongly accused and condemn the convictions as a breach Turkey’s obligations as a signatory to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

While most of those jailed are boys, an additional building was recently opened at a prison in Diyarbakir to hold girls aged under 18 who are convicted of participating in banned demonstrations.

Last week, Turkey was identified as the worst violator of the European convention on human rights between 1959 and 2009. According to figures released by the European court of human rights, the country accounted for almost 19% of all violations, with 2,295 judgements issued against it. Turkey also had the highest proportion of violations in 2009, making up 347 out of 1,625 negative rulings. The most common violation was the denial of the right to a fair trial. Turkey also had 30 rulings against it following complaints of inhumane or degrading treatment.

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#3978
Baron Kyri

08/02/2010 at 10:10 pm

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….and just in case you could not be bothered to read this is the last paragraph of the article above:

Last week, Turkey was identified as the worst violator of the European convention on human rights between 1959 and 2009. According to figures released by the European court of human rights, the country accounted for almost 19% of all violations, with 2,295 judgements issued against it. Turkey also had the highest proportion of violations in 2009, making up 347 out of 1,625 negative rulings. The most common violation was the denial of the right to a fair trial. Turkey also had 30 rulings against it following complaints of inhumane or degrading treatment.

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#3979
vaughan williams

09/02/2010 at 9:17 am

BK,

Whilst the case you quote does seem extreme to “Westerners” such as ourselves, it would be nice to stick to the thread subject, i.e. Famagusta Ferry.
Also, whilst you are so obviously passionate about your grievences, if you ease off the inflamatory remarks and personal comments, threads might just progress in a debating type fashion and not descend into the usual ruck.
Just my opinion, of course.

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#3995
baron kyri

09/02/2010 at 6:43 pm

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VW,

I would agree with you before I got to know you. Now I do not as I know that you are not here to debate and find the truth.

You have decided on which side you are and regardless of what we say nothing will change. You will still support the invasion, the occupation, the joke of a state in the north…you will support stealing our land and homes…you will support that buying our stolen homes was the right thing to do. You are here to make black white when it suits you!

So….why should I bother?

BK

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#4008
vaughan williams

10/02/2010 at 7:20 am

BK,

If all you want to do is hurl abuse and chew over the same old rhetoric, why indeed bother?

However I will answer your declarations:
1. I do support the “invasion” as you call it, although I prefer to call it a legal intervention.
2. I do support the “occupation” as I see it still as a safeguard, not to mention a negotiation card.
3. I do support the TRNC state, as it is not my place to criticise any country in which I am a guest.
4. I accept that you lost land and property as part of the status quo in Cyprus after a war which many would say you caused but lost.
5. Once you lost your land and property, it was inevitable that it would start to be bought and sold. Inevitability needs no support, only acceptance.
6. Contrary to many GCs who only see things in black aqnd white, I maintain that the solution to the Cyprus problem will need to be very grey, i.e. a compromise.

VW

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#4014
mastakounas evaggelos

10/02/2010 at 7:48 am

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VW

you in effect would support anyone and anything as long as it suits you, including murder, rape and child abuse.

And all this, for a house with a nice view for “free”

You feel somehow, that 6 billion are people are in the wrong and you are in the right.

If/When you are delivered with the notice to vacate pls blame noone but yourself.

there is clearly little point in discussing anything with you.

We have a writ being prepared as I am typing this.

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#4018
polly

10/02/2010 at 7:56 am

Thomas what a refreshing post.

Clearly the TRNC government has got to get its act together.
It is too easy to blame the embargo, there are countries out
there who would invest/trade with them if it became viable to
do so.

Too, many times I have heard people say ‘this is Cyprus’
that is just an excuse to not buck the system, it is not
a reason. With this mind set nothing will change, change it
must if they/we are to survive.

The first place would be for the Law makers to get rid of the
archiac system and update and streamline. Address the corruption,
whereby anyone who is looking for a quick result isnt asked
‘where is my envelope’. If it benefits the applicant inevitably
it will benefit the country. Business to be up and running more
speedily and efficiently so that much needed tax revenue can reach
the government coffers.

There is much to be done but like every journey it starts with the
first step.

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#4019
yiannis savvides

10/02/2010 at 8:02 am

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Polly , do you know that the ” country” is a part of Cyprus under Turkish occupation?
You will always need to have envelopes ready to bribe the corrupt ” authorities ” You seem to disregard fundamentals here , this , the “trnc” isn’t a country in the same way that one would refer to the 190 or so other countries in the world.
So you think that business should be up and running efficiently !!!
What business are you talking about , casinos , prostitution or the business of fleecing the senile Brits !!

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#4020
Baron Kyri

10/02/2010 at 8:04 am

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VW,

For your information;

1.You do support the invasion as I call it, although you prefer to call it a “legal intervention” even though you know it is all rubbish to justify your own immoral decisions.

2. You do support the “occupation” as you see it as the reason you were enabled to purchase your stolen goods and be here.

3. You do support the “TJNC” (J for Joke) “state”, and you are prepared to call it a country against what the UN and the rest of the world believes as it protects you and your unethical “investments” from the law which would otherwise trash you in 2 seconds flat.

4. You accept that we temporarily lost land and property as part of the status quo in Cyprus after a war which a few would say we caused but lost, however, you are not here to examine what is right or wrong but to take advantage of it for your own benefit even if your actions could be called illegal, immoral or unethical.

5. Once we temporarily lost our land and property, it was inevitable that they would start to be bought and sold to subhuman scum of the earth like you lot. You have always existed and you always will.

6. Contrary to many GCs who only see this specific thing in black and white, at the end of the day nobody impartial can deny that what is theirs is theirs alone, you maintain that the solution to the Cyprus problem will need to be very grey so that you get to keep some of your stolen goods. At the end of the nobody sells his soul to the devil for nothing.

BK

PS. The mere fact that you are trying to justify your immoral acts makes you nothing more than subhuman scum of the earth and if the truth hurts it is not my fault.

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#4021
polly

10/02/2010 at 8:20 am

Yiannis,

TRNC has nighbclubs ROC has cabarets – both are brothels.

When waiting for my residency permit in the South, if a pimp
came in to the emigration dept, his envelope guaranteed that
he and his group of ‘ladies’ went to the front of the queue no
difference there then.

Casinos – You do have me there – but it amazing how many cars
with GC plates are parked in their carparks.

Yes I would like to see TRNC up and running where business could be conducted in a fair and honest fashion. Surely if you really
do aspire to a united Cyprus, wouldnt it be better to have the
North as a prosperous addition rather than a burden, a very
costly burden to all you GC tax payers?. Seems reasonable that
you might want this.

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#4023
yiannis savvides

10/02/2010 at 10:28 am

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Polly,
What I want is for Turkey to remove its occupation troops from Cyprus and as many Anatolian settlers brought to Cyprus in order to alter the demographics of the island.
As far as the pseudo state running an efficient business , dream on !
I aspire for a united Cyprus where all Cypriots are equal under the law and where Turkey does not have the rights to intervene as she sees fit any time she wants.
As for you cheapskates is curtains I’m afraid, would prefer to have you arrested and charged with entering the sovereign areas of the RoC ILLEGALLY .That I detest your actions I make no apologies , that I consider the cheapskates the enemies of Cyprus again no apologies .
You will sooner rather than later face the Orams nightmare, trust me , we are a determined lot us Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs alike .

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#4025
Reidi

10/02/2010 at 11:36 am

YI, Sadly another person with nothing but hatred in your heart. The suggestions made by Thomas in his original post would benefit all and bring a lot of real money and commerce to Cyprus, it is what we like to call a ‘no brainer’. How did you get from this very sensible suggestion to ‘I hate you lot and I am going to get you’? I would personally start a business tomorrow employing people North and South if it wasn’t for the restrictions mentioned, and I know many others who would do the same. I don’t disagree with with all that you have to say, so try to put aside your hatred and let us try to resolve or differences and work together. VW suggests compromise don’t you think that may be where the anwser lies?

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#4028
vaughan williams

10/02/2010 at 11:43 am

ME,

1. You have no idea what I do or don’t support, other than that which I have already declared, and certainly not rape, murder or child abuse. Don’t tell me they happened in Cyprus because I know they did. They also happen in most wars. If you don’t like what happens in wars, don’t start them (1974).

2. Can you have a word with my estate agent please, because my house with its view certainly wasn’t “free”.

3. I doubt there are 6 million people, let alone 6 billion, who have either heard of Cyprus or could give a good stiff crap about it.

4. Which notice to vacate would that be? RoC notices don’t mean diddly up here.

5. You might as well wipe your arse with your writ, because if you don’t, I will.

You want to discuss then discuss, if not-

KMA.

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#4029
Mastakounas Evaggelos

10/02/2010 at 1:45 pm

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VW.

you said:

1. I do support the “invasion” as you call it, although I prefer to call it a legal intervention.

Well you may prefer to call it legal intervention but the rest of the world doesnt (and thats goes for your no 3 point) Even your own goverment signed the same papers saying that it is illegal. You however would like to ignore that
.
You also like to ignore every other crime turkey commits to this day, including child abuse ( as per previous post)

I would dare say you have a selective moral stand-point but then again it seems you probably have none.

2. We both well know that the only reason why you were able to buy the place you (dont) “own” right now is that it was priced around a 1/4 of similar property anywhere in Europe. Now while this is not free, as you righyly state, it does tent to attract fairly low standard of people. Which btw fits quite well with the rest of the “trnc”. No, I reffered it as free, because the people that sold it to you got it for free…and sell it to people like you for a profit.

4. You said: Which notice to vacate would that be? RoC notices don’t mean diddly up here.

Well, assuming you have no other assets (it wouldnt surprise me),
Still wee will make sure we deliver the writ in your native county. So you will in effect be forced to live in an illegal state for the rest of your life. Life a fugitive…

I am happy to tell you that with any kind of political solution , chances are, you will be evicted and asked to pay restitution.

And since TCs will (most likely) vote for the next plan, the GCs are now probably your best friends (imagine that) see? you are making friends all over…

Too bad you dont get to vote.

I want you to hear this straight so do not misunderstand each other: We will NEVER stop coming after people who try to take what is rightfully ours.

We will find you

sleep well.

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#4030
Dominic Freeman

10/02/2010 at 2:08 pm

ME, the international community accepted the intervention but not the staying. Property in the rest of Europe is overpriced, that’s why there is an economic crisis. A writ against someone with no assets will probably be accepted and the person receiving it would be bankrupt if a claim was made against them, that’s what having no assets means. The person then does not become a fugitive. TCs and GCs will never vote for a plan so it is irrelevant whether we have a vote.

#4031
Reidi

10/02/2010 at 2:12 pm

Masta,

We will find you?

When you do we will welcome you.

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#4032
Mastakounas Evaggelos

10/02/2010 at 2:37 pm

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Dominic,

I am not sure where to begin…

a. “the international community accepted the intervention”
I am not sure how you reached this conclusion (oh pls show me SOMETHING). There is not one international venue that shows acceptance of this

b. Overpriced? Is this your argument? Overpriced for whom? pensioners? When everything else is overpriced , why isnt the “trnc”? Give me a break!

c. People who own holiday homes tent to have other assets. Even if they dont, they have pensions and even if they dont, being bankrupt is certainly quite a way to live your twilight years. Mind you, declaring bankruptcy under false pretenses is a crime. Even if the moneys is kept in an illegal state.

The tresspasing violation is ofcourse a much more potent deterant, if you continue to tresspass then you are in contempt.

Certainly noone wants any of these scenarios to occur.

d. If you continue to tresspass you are in contempt and the only way to avoid the penalty is to become a fugitive ( on top of being bankrupt)

e. As far as the no solution issue, I do belive you might be right. But if TCs want a solution and GCs dont, what does that tell you about the plans being put forward? It makes no sense…

Reidi, I presume your tendency for violence goes well with the other citizens of the “trnc”. And you know, you are right, we are v afraid…imagine all those pensioners running after us with their 12v electric baggies….what would we do?

As far as finding you…hmmm let me see…the “trnc” land registry? Did you think that there is data protection in the “trnc”? Oh Im sorry….your joke of a state cannot protect you …besides they invited you over just to milk you…

sleep tight.

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#4033
Mastakounas Evaggelos

10/02/2010 at 2:41 pm

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Reidi wrote:
”
Masta,

We will find you?

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!!!
”
and then he changed it to :
”
Masta,

We will find you?

When you do we will welcome you.
”

it’s good you learn how to conceil your violent tendencies…I will add backstabbing to homocidal.

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#4034
Reidi

10/02/2010 at 2:48 pm

Masta,

We will find you?

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!!!

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#4035
Mastakounas Evaggelos

10/02/2010 at 3:04 pm

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Reidi,

just to go spain mate, noone will ever bother you there…

oh Im sorry…you cant sell “your” property…the “trnc” wont let you…and even if it did you couldnt buy more than a chicken hut with the money in spain….and even if you did you’d STILL be liable for the time you stayed in someone elses’ house…

If you sold off now you could probably manage to pay off the penalties…but then again you cant…

mumble mumble…there doesnt seem to be a good way out for you…

dont worry mate, after you are gone without selling up, i will take good care of the house…I always wanted someone to build me a house for free….

I might let you keep the rent you owe me….if you are nice…

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#4036
Reidi

10/02/2010 at 3:34 pm

Sorry to disapoint Masta, but no land assets in my name North or South. Try Florida.

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#4038
Mastakounas Evaggelos

10/02/2010 at 4:21 pm

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ok ok guys some good news.

I was going to save this for later but Im no good at keeping secrets.

It’s been just said that the RoC court has decided it needs not deliver the writs.

As there is no real way to deliver the writs to the tresspassers, they are now able to (just for you guys) post the writs in the , goverment newspaper (you’ll love it’s in Greek and turkish only .

The newspaper comes out every month. and is readily available in here in the south. Come and get it boys…

The court then allows for 2 months for the individual (thieving tresspasser) to respond. If there is no show, the trial happens IN ABSENTIA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_absentia

It then issues the decision to your local court where it is enforced. There is a provision for you to APPEAL. But ofcourse appealing means you need to prove that you are in fact not guilty which is in fact much harder…not that there is much chance you are innocent.

When the appeal process is over, there are no other means of appeal, not even in you local court. The court judgement is then enforced in you local country.

it’s been said that they have checked this legal and it’s airtight.

So if you see anyone taking pictures of you in the street or near your house or they are messing with your post. You guessed it…

it’s one of us…

sleep well.

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#4039
Mastakounas Evaggelos

10/02/2010 at 4:24 pm

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reidi mate,

sure you dont…

and im sure you are looking “to take care of us” from all the way in Florida…

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#4040
yiannis savvides

10/02/2010 at 4:43 pm

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Just like the Orams underestimated the resolve of the legal owners of land and properties in the occupied parts of Cyprus only to find out at their cost that law and order is prevalent in the civilized world and that the British or other nationals who chose to ignore legality and justice will eventually have the book thrown at them.
Do these brain dead Brits really think that we will just accept their illegal purchases and forget our ancestral lands ? Most did it appears.
THEIR TIME IS FAST APPROACHING !!!
ps. another of Yiannis’s post in the trush can , hey Malcolm !!

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#4041
polly

10/02/2010 at 4:53 pm

Yiannis

When you say something new we might listen. We all know your
view point and frankly it is now boring. Come on, I am sure
you can start a new thread, if you try.

You sound one outburst away from stroke and none of us want that
to happen to you.

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#4042
Dominic Freeman

10/02/2010 at 4:57 pm

Oh no, that means we’ve no chance now. You GCs are so clever, you’re sure to get your country back now. No wonder you couldn’t keep that to yourself. Now let me see. What has this got to do with issuing a writ in the UK where all the assets are? Where are you going to put that writ, in a kebab shop in north London? That would be cunning.

#4043
Baron Kyri

10/02/2010 at 5:07 pm

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Dear subhuman scum of the earth,

You know who you are !!! Not even you can be that blind. I am sure that you can see what you truly are even though you will not admit it at least in public.

But I am sure you do know it.

Now rush to click “dislike” because the truth hurts

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#4045
Mastakounas Evaggelos

10/02/2010 at 5:08 pm

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df,

take a look

http://www.enforcementofficers.co.uk/

anyway, since when was delivering writs a problem in the uk?

Im sure most will be delivered in the council houses where most nc ex-pats live….or, in any case, are likely end up living in…maybe the “trnc” will replace their pensions…

…

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#4046
Mastakounas Evaggelos

10/02/2010 at 5:19 pm

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it seems like there is no more need for voting to hide posts anymore….

dominic has taken care of that…

dont run dominic. it doesnt do you any good anymore…

there is nowhere left to hide.

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#4049
Malcolm Channing

10/02/2010 at 5:27 pm

I think Dominic wrote somewhere that he was living in a Turkish Cypriot friend’s house. He thinks the GCs wouldn’t dare touch him because they would have to tell his friend to throw his guest out or something like that.

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#4050
Mastakounas Evaggelos

10/02/2010 at 6:04 pm

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i hear tumbleweed rolling sounds in the backround….

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#4051
Baron Kyri

10/02/2010 at 6:20 pm

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Yeap….comments get hidden with only one “dislike” vote !

hahahahahaha

The subhuman scum of the earth strike again

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#4052
yiannis savvides

10/02/2010 at 6:38 pm

Polly , would you not agree that the fact is that you and the rest of the Brits who , rather than using your brain , if one was functioning that is ,used your greed in buying stolen property , now you all realize that what we have been telling you all along is correct as endorsed by the ECJ and the Royal Courts of Justice .
When your time comes , and it will , I can offer you free accommodation in the RoC in one of my apartments facing the sea in return for looking after my stables in Akrotiri .No rent you just do what you do best , clean up !!

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#4054
yiannis savvides

10/02/2010 at 6:46 pm

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Dominique , precisely which International community accepted the ” intervention ” ?
Was that the intervention that caused the death of more than 5000 Cypriots , women and children raped by a third world army , or was it the intervention that put a stop at the on going “massacre ” that clearly it was not happening at all since SIX YEARS PRIOR TO THE TURKISH INVASION THERE WAS NO BLOODY CONFLICT.
I hereby bestow up on you the prestigious title of Chief Plonker !

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#4058
Dominic Freeman

10/02/2010 at 6:50 pm

Kissinger and the US

#4060
baron kyri

10/02/2010 at 11:31 pm

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Dominic,

They accepted the so called intervantion as “I do not care, at the end of the day we have to friends with Turkey”, or even better “they turned the blind eye”.

They never officially accepted or encouraged an “intervention”.

Having mentioned another subhuman scum of the earth, a criminal of war who cannot visit Europe as he will get arrested, Kissinger, do you have anything in common by any chance apart of the subhuman nature?

BK

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#4064
polly

11/02/2010 at 5:05 am

Yiannis. Thank you so much for your kind offer but regretfully
I must decline.

I am self sufficient and no matter what happens here, I am
and shall remain comfortably off.

Why is it when I try to discuss what your attitude to the
cheapskates, carpetbaggers had they paid more than the market
rate (which some did during the boom)would be, the subject is ingored
by you fair minded, right thinking GCs. In fact this happens
to any question you have no answer for. Why answer the
unanswerable when you can hurl abuse at us???

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#4067
yiannis savvides

11/02/2010 at 8:18 am

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Polly , let me once again explain a very simple fact.
The so called “trnc” was created by Turkey who viciously invaded and occupied this part resulting in the death of more than 5000 Cypriots and the displacement of more than 160 thousand G/Cs from their ancestral lands that had been in their possession for generations.
Turkey then proceeds with altering the demographics of this area by a significant introduction of Anatolian settlers , renaming places , towns and villages which for thousands of years were known by their original names , and then along come the cheapskates , mostly senile individuals such as you , who begin purchasing the lands stolen from the legal owners and in doing so they also also become the staunchest supporters of the continuation of the division and occupation , they bunch together like rodents searching for scraps and spew their senile nonsense , VW for instance , Moover the Looner , Dominique the imposter and every other cheapskate that posts on the senile CY44 exclusive to birdbrained Brits forum, and you seriously wonder why you are not liked !!!
You are right we don’t like you and get it in your head , it does not mean we don’t like the English , I’m not going to mention again of my blood connections to the English race suffice to say I lived under the same roof as husband and wife with a beautiful English rose for more than 40 years , and English she was 1 billion percent.

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#4072
vaughan williams

11/02/2010 at 8:31 am

Guys,

I wouldn’t give YS too much credence as he is known as a “fascist traitor” over on the rabid Cyprus Forum by his own countrymen. I have accused him of being a racist hypocrite over a comment he made, to the effect, “There in no place in Cyprus for foreigners”. Guess where Mr. Racist Hypocrite Fascist Traitor has lived for the last 49 years?

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#4074
yiannis savvides

11/02/2010 at 11:09 am

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VW, Rubbish , total regurgitated utter rubbish.
Miltiades is who Im on the proper forum. Straight as they come , highly respected by the T/Cs and G/Cs moderates. Disliked by the extremists on both sides because I tell it as I see it.
I detest the sight of Greek flags in the RoC and abhor the sight of Turkish flags .
Im considered as a true Cypriot , on record as saying that my ultimate ambition is to see a T/C as the president of a united Cyprus , a president whose motherland would be the island of Cyprus.
I abhor you and you know that , since your statement praising the killing of thousands of Cypriots by the invading Turkish army.
You are not Cyprus friendly , get out and stay out , I know why you are here , I did tell you on the CY Forum !

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#4076
vaughan williams

11/02/2010 at 11:36 am

YS,

I have accused you, more than once, of recently posting:
“There in no place in Cyprus for foreigners”.
I have asked you to deny this, more than once before and you still haven’t.
I’m sure if folks visit:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=28564
they will see for themselves how highly respected you are.
Please refer me to where I “praised” “…the killing of thousands of Cypriots…”

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#4077
mastakounas evaggelos

11/02/2010 at 11:42 am

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dominic,

Kissinger eh? this is your patron…he is a very popular man…especially in cambodia…

He once tried to make a stop-over in cyprus while on a visit to israel and the response was…”we cannot guarantee” your safety with a subnote saying that he is an undesirable and that he is partly responsible for the murder of the US embassador of Cyprus in 74.

He narrowly escaped being indicted for crimes against humanity only because he was give shelter by the current US political establishment (a few year ago).

Others ofcourse consider him one of the top politicians/strategists ever…

As far as K and Cyprus is concerned, the concensus is that he did nothing to stop Turkey from invading (as he did when it was attempted in 1967). He was neither hot or cold on the invasion.
Which in effect gave Turkey the green light to invade.

He was however party to the situation that brought the junta in athens in 67, which is what lead Cyprus to this horrible state of being. (FYI makarios fought the Junta ppl and there was an attempt to kill him because of this)

But then again Kissinger was neither hot or cold about setting up a plot which nappalmed thousands of innocent cambodians which had nothing to do with the Vietnam war. trully a crime against humanity. he is still a wanted man because of this.

In retropspect, if you see all his big moves, very few ever brought the desired results.

I regard him, truly, as one of the great anti-humanists of the 20th century. Right up there with Hitler, Stalin…

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#4078
mastakounas evaggelos

11/02/2010 at 11:59 am

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this guy sums up the situation well in my opinion.

This is for all you “new comers” to the Cyprus problem

http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/press/press2001/Gu260201.htm

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#4079
Baron Kyri

11/02/2010 at 12:29 pm

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Dear Subhuman friends,

This could be a good article for your website, however, I cannot post articles so I therefore copied it here.

Baron Kyri

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/ep-calls-turkey-withdraw-troops-cyprus/20100211

EP calls on Turkey to withdraw troops from Cyprus

IN A strongly worded resolution, the European Parliament yesterday set a number of preconditions on Turkey’s EU accession, calling on Ankara to immediately withdraw its occupation forces from Cyprus and facilitate the ongoing peace talks for a political settlement.

The EP adopted a resolution on Turkey’s Progress Report, based on a report drafted by Dutch MEP Ria Oomen-Ruijten, which states that the Turkish government should contribute “in concrete terms” to the comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus issue, based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation, in line with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions and the principles on which the EU is founded.

Cypriot MEP Ioannis Kasoulides described the resolution as the strongest yet to come out of the Brussels parliament. It urges Turkey to facilitate a suitable climate for the Cyprus negotiations by immediately starting to withdraw its forces from Cyprus, by addressing the issue of the settlement of Turkish citizens on the island and by enabling the return of the sealed-off section of Famagusta to its lawful inhabitants in compliance with UN Security Council resolutions.

The EP “deplores” the non-implementation of the Additional Protocol to the EC-Turkey Association Agreement for the “fourth consecutive year” and warns that failure to implement it fully and without delay, in a non-discriminatory way, could seriously affect its accession negotiations. The MEPs also referred to the “limited” progress on concrete reforms in 2009.

During the debate before voting, Spanish Minister for European Affairs Lopez Garrido stressed that implementation of the Ankara Protocol, which requires Turkey to open its ports and airports to Cypriot ships and vessels, was a necessity for the continuation of accession negotiations.

“If there is no progress on this, no more chapters can be opened,” Garrido underlined. He also said that one of the decisive factors for Turkey’s assessment included its contribution to the efforts to reach a solution in Cyprus.

New EU Enlargement Commissioner Stefan Fule said that Turkey must do more for its EU accession. “Five years ago Turkey undertook serious commitments for democratisation. Today, we are concerned about the limitations towards the media and the ban of political parties,” the Czech Commissioner said.

He called on Turkey to make more effort towards democratisation, respect of human rights and individual rights and implement all it has promised especially as regards border control and readmission of immigrants.

MEPs regretted the Constitutional Court’s decisions to close the Democratic Society Party (DTP), and annul the legislation limiting the jurisdiction of military courts, noting they were “a serious setback in Turkey’s reform efforts” and called for reform of the Turkish constitution.

On a more positive note, MEPs cited the broad public debate on issues within the so-called democratic opening, and a law removing restrictions on broadcasting in Kurdish.

They also appreciated the diplomatic efforts made to normalise relations with Armenia but asked that the relevant protocols be ratified. In addition, they acknowledged Turkey’s role in regional security (Black Sea and Middle-East) and welcomed the signing of the Nabucco pipeline agreement.

In the resolution, MEPs call for the opening of the energy chapter in the accession negotiations. Twelve out of 35 chapters have so far been opened with the environment chapter opened in December 2009. Eight chapters were frozen in 2006 over Turkey’s refusal to apply the Ankara Protocol, while Cyprus has indicated it was prepared to block the opening of five new chapters. (CNA)

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#4080
vaughan williams

11/02/2010 at 1:16 pm

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Turkey has been there, done that and still has the T-shirt.

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#4082
Reidi

11/02/2010 at 1:50 pm

YS & Goat Boy,
You clowns still don’t get it. Now it is known there is no justice to be had in court there is no point going again. No more courts. Why spend millions and risk losing hundreds of thousands. In a third world country where everything is up for sale and many would sell their grandma for £5 (£10 if you want the goat). Where the totally corrupt RoC Police cannot find their own arses with both hands and even if the could they can be bought for a song. When in Rome etc, you just pay a local criminal, and how hard are they to find, a few grand to make your problem go away easy-peasy no brainer. Wake up, when you move into the first property in the North that is the time to crow right now you are just counting chickens that are unlikely to hatch. Take your writs to the bank and see what you can borrow against them. You know it’s true.

You criticise people call them stupid names and say they have had free property the very thing you yourself are trying to grasp with all your heart, how hypocritical is that?

On a more serious note somebody’s knocked the head off my bloody snowman, Greece has closed, and the wonderful Euro is really going my way.

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#4084
polly

11/02/2010 at 2:13 pm

Yiannis Just as predicted I did ask you a question;
If the cheapskates and carpetbaggers paid a fair or more than
fair price for the property in the North, would they still
qualify to be cheapskates and carpetbaggers. As predicted off
you go again on your usual diatribe – change the record, we all know the words. I know you do not have an answer but what fun
winding you up is!!

i have been shopping today in the south and I wasnt arrested, although I did note that the Greeks were writing down the numbers
of the I.D. cards of the TCs also crossing. Hadnt noticed
this before. Car registration numbers yes but not ID cards, is this new?

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#4088
yiannis savvides

11/02/2010 at 3:41 pm

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The Brits who purchased stolen properties in the occupied part of Cyprus will always be cheapskates . The fact that they , on their own accord, disregarded political realities , one being the fact that the entire international community considers the pseudo state as a part of Cyprus under the occupation of Turkey , another being the inevitability of their financial downfall with or without a solution of the Cyprob, you will not be tolerated whilst occupying my property . The Roc is under pressure from many to capitulate to Turkeys demands , let me tell you neither the G/Cs nor the T/Cs , the true T/Cs , will capitulate.
Polly , I don’t like you any more than I like all the other senile British yobs so be my quest and respond with your usual nonsense , the same nonsense that the senile fools post on CY44 !!!

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#4092
polly

11/02/2010 at 4:00 pm

Perhaps I should be nicer to you – you have sooo much property.

I know in the fullness of time there will be a solution. I know one of us will like the solution and one of us wont. What I do not know is which of us it will be and despite all your bluster,
neither do you. I suspect we will both be pushing up the
daisies long before it happens and that death and taxes are
the only certainties in this life.

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#4096
Baron Kyri

12/02/2010 at 9:47 am

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Reidi,

I know why you feel like this and I truly feel sorry for you. The truth hurts sometimes but stop blaming us for your unethical choices.

Deep down inside you know who you truly are, a subhuman scum of the earth. You sold you soul to the devil for a few bucks and now you ended up with an empty body with nothing human inside you.

You can shout your immoral cause as loud as you want, it is only you that hear you ! The rest of us and the rest of the world know.

Nevertheless I love you all, make love, not war,

BK

Polly Peck,

Let me answer your stupid question. If the cheapskates and carpetbaggers paid a fair or more than fair price for the property in the North, would not qualify to be cheapskates and carpetbaggers because the term “fair price” also implies that the price was paid to the legal owner, otherwise it wouldn’t be “fair”.

If you imply that the “fair price” was paid to anyone else then it would just be a “high price” instead of “fair” and that would not qualify you to be cheapskates and carpetbaggers. Nevertheless, it would qualify you to be fools in addition to subhuman scam of the earth that you anyway are.

On a lighter note shame you did not come to see me. You know I love you. You could have had some decent fun for a change

I love you all (in case you thought that I only love you). Make love, not war,

Baron Kyri

PS. Please note that a future solution allowing you to keep your stolen properties will not affect your status as subhuman scum of the earth. You have earned this title with your choices and actions and there isn’t anything that can change it. Anything in a future solution in your favour should be considered as a victory of animal right activists !

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